Churches rejecting science altogether

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irishpatrick said:
That is what I was saying. We do not know the height of Mt. Everest at the time of the flood, nor can we date the flood. We just do not know and it is clear to me that God wants it to be shrouded in mystery–faith is the key.
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Another interesting find - limestone and trilobite fossils show it was once underwater. Does this prove a flood? Not necessarily, but if you add the fact these are found near the surface of the one has to ask why are they still there after millions upon millions years of wind and water erosion? :hmmm:
 
buffalo said:
Another interesting find - limestone and trilobite fossils show it was once underwater. Does this prove a flood? Not necessarily, but if you add the fact these are found near the surface of the one has to ask why are they still there after millions upon millions years of wind and water erosion? :hmmm:
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I also find it to be no accident that so many dinosaur fossils are found so close to the surface, and often those sea life fossils you mentionedf are found in the same areas. Yet, somehow, those findings do not seem to add-up to the same thing with various scientists, go figure.

It all reminds me that astronomers and physicists (and astrophsicists) tend to agree that the universe had an actual beginning…some still look upon that beginning as some modified form of the big bang theory–and for me that simply sounds like the first book of Genesis. God said “let there be light,” and bam there was light…
 
irishpatrick said:
I also find it to be no accident that so many dinosaur fossils are found so close to the surface, and often those sea life fossils you mentionedf are found in the same areas. Yet, somehow, those findings do not seem to add-up to the same thing with various scientists, go figure.

It all reminds me that astronomers and physicists (and astrophsicists) tend to agree that the universe had an actual beginning…some still look upon that beginning as some modified form of the big bang theory–and for me that simply sounds like the first book of Genesis. God said “let there be light,” and bam there was light…
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In addition the bones are found pointing in the same general direction. What does this suggest?
 
donsnow said:
Good morning, Peter John, You left out Big Foot.
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Bigfoot is a fun myth, but nothing more. The caloric intake required to support one member of a Bigfoot species – to say nothing of the several thousand members required to maintain genetic diversity – is simply not available in the wild. If Bigfoot existed, we would see widespread unmistakeable evidence of a sizeable population of them. What do we have? A few grainy photos and videos of guys in gorilla suits.
 
StAnastasia said:
Bigfoot is a fun myth, but nothing more. The caloric intake required to support one member of a Bigfoot species – to say nothing of the several thousand members required to maintain genetic diversity – is simply not available in the wild. If Bigfoot existed, we would see widespread unmistakeable evidence of a sizeable population of them. What do we have? A few grainy photos and videos of guys in gorilla suits.
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The bigfoot guy admitted he set it all up.
 
buffalo said:
Do you have a time and date back then when someone measured it?
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US Geological Survey: pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dynamic/himalaya.html

"Among the most dramatic and visible creations of plate-tectonic forces are the lofty Himalayas, which stretch 2,900 km along the border between India and Tibet. This immense mountain range began to form between 40 and 50 million years ago, when two large landmasses, India and Eurasia, driven by plate movement, collided. Because both these continental landmasses have about the same rock density, one plate could not be subducted under the other. The pressure of the impinging plates could only be relieved by thrusting skyward, contorting the collision zone, and forming the jagged Himalayan peaks.

About 225 million years ago, India was a large island still situated off the Australian coast, and a vast ocean (called Tethys Sea) separated India from the Asian continent. When Pangaea broke apart about 200 million years ago, India began to forge northward. By studying the history – and ultimately the closing-- of the Tethys, scientists have reconstructed India’s northward journey. About 80 million years ago, India was located roughly 6,400 km south of the Asian continent, moving northward at a rate of about 9 m a century. When India rammed into Asia about 40 to 50 million years ago, its northward advance slowed by about half. The collision and associated decrease in the rate of plate movement are interpreted to mark the beginning of the rapid uplift of the Himalayas."
 
StAnastasia said:
US Geological Survey: pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dynamic/himalaya.html

"Among the most dramatic and visible creations of plate-tectonic forces are the lofty Himalayas, which stretch 2,900 km along the border between India and Tibet. This immense mountain range began to form between 40 and 50 million years ago, when two large landmasses, India and Eurasia, driven by plate movement, collided. Because both these continental landmasses have about the same rock density, one plate could not be subducted under the other. The pressure of the impinging plates could only be relieved by thrusting skyward, contorting the collision zone, and forming the jagged Himalayan peaks.

About 225 million years ago, India was a large island still situated off the Australian coast, and a vast ocean (called Tethys Sea) separated India from the Asian continent. When Pangaea broke apart about 200 million years ago, India began to forge northward. By studying the history – and ultimately the closing-- of the Tethys, scientists have reconstructed India’s northward journey. About 80 million years ago, India was located roughly 6,400 km south of the Asian continent, moving northward at a rate of about 9 m a century. When India rammed into Asia about 40 to 50 million years ago, its northward advance slowed by about half. The collision and associated decrease in the rate of plate movement are interpreted to mark the beginning of the rapid uplift of the Himalayas."
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Thanks - see these are all assumptions based on uniformatarianism.
 
buffalo said:
Thanks - see these are all assumptions based on uniformatarianism.
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Right. On matters of faith I’ll accept Catholic theology over the USGS. On matters of geological science, I’ll take the US Geological Survey over a quaint Middle Eastern story. I’ll also take the USGS over the North American “Earth Diver” myth, in which Muskrat dives down, takes mud in his paws, return to the surface, and fashions the world from the mud.
 
StAnastasia said:
Right. On matters of faith I’ll accept Catholic theology over the USGS. On matters of geological science, I’ll take the US Geological Survey over a quaint Middle Eastern story. I’ll also take the USGS over the North American “Earth Diver” myth, in which Muskrat dives down, takes mud in his paws, return to the surface, and fashions the world from the mud.
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Yes - the nitty gritty - who ya wanna believe? As long as you are honest in explaining your choice to the posters here.

Now then as we parse through the assumptions made it becomes really interesting.
 
buffalo said:
Yes - the nitty gritty - who ya wanna believe? As long as you are honest in explaining your choice to the posters here.

Now then as we parse through the assumptions made it becomes really interesting.
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Buffalo, here is a nice online compendium of creation stories from around the world, including the Hebrew one we find in Genesis.

magictails.com/creationlinks.html

StAnastasia
 
StAnastasia said:
US Geological Survey: pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dynamic/himalaya.html

"Among the most dramatic and visible creations of plate-tectonic forces are the lofty Himalayas, which stretch 2,900 km along the border between India and Tibet. This immense mountain range began to form between 40 and 50 million years ago, when two large landmasses, India and Eurasia, driven by plate movement, collided. Because both these continental landmasses have about the same rock density, one plate could not be subducted under the other. The pressure of the impinging plates could only be relieved by thrusting skyward, contorting the collision zone, and forming the jagged Himalayan peaks.

About 225 million years ago, India was a large island still situated off the Australian coast, and a vast ocean (called Tethys Sea) separated India from the Asian continent. When Pangaea broke apart about 200 million years ago, India began to forge northward. By studying the history – and ultimately the closing-- of the Tethys, scientists have reconstructed India’s northward journey. About 80 million years ago, India was located roughly 6,400 km south of the Asian continent, moving northward at a rate of about 9 m a century. When India rammed into Asia about 40 to 50 million years ago, its northward advance slowed by about half. The collision and associated decrease in the rate of plate movement are interpreted to mark the beginning of the rapid uplift of the Himalayas."
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All of this is simply human theories created when people take a look at what they think is evidence, and then they extrapolate the data into a model they believe works. The truth is those are basically “guesses,” and not much more.
 
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StAnastasia said:
Right. On matters of faith I’ll accept Catholic theology over the USGS.
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Me too.
On matters of geological science, I’ll take the US Geological Survey over a quaint Middle Eastern story.
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Are you referring to the opening chapters of the Bible here?? (Because those aren’t just ‘quaint Middle Eastern stories,’ at least according to the Catholic theology you claim to accept.)
I’ll also take the USGS over the North American “Earth Diver” myth, in which Muskrat dives down, takes mud in his paws, return to the surface, and fashions the world from the mud.
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On this one are you referring to ‘taking’ generally, or still just on matters of geological science?
 
irishpatrick said:
All of this is simply human theories that take a look at what they think is evidence, and then they extrapolate the data into a model they believe works. The truth is those are basically “guesses,” and not much more.
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No, it’s not guesses. It is solid geological science, based upon years of research and reams of geological evidence. Compare that to the creation story in Genesis, which was penned thousands of years ago by Hebrew authors who had no knowledge of how the world works, but who made guesses based on their own limited world view, and crafted a nice theological story.

I accept the science as the explanation of the way the world words, and I accept the theology of the Genesis account.
 
Betterave said:
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Me too. Are you referring to the opening chapters of the Bible here?? (Because those aren’t quaint Middle Eastern stories, according to the Catholic theology you claim to accept.) On this one are you referring to ‘taking’ generally, or still just on matters of geological science?
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Yes, I accept the geological account of a 13.7 billion year old universe, and a 4.5 billion year old earth, rather than the Earth Diver myth of prehistoric North Americans, or the prescientific myth of Genesis 1-11. Of course, I accept the theology of creation, but that is substantially differwnt than accepting the myths as literally true accounts of the formation of the world.
 
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