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estesbob
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It is shameful the way the Left is using this distraught Mother. Her own family is now condeming her.
urbangrounds.com/2005/08/09/camp-casey/
urbangrounds.com/2005/08/09/camp-casey/
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jlw
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Over at The Corner:
SHEEHAN [Jonah Goldberg]
Without getting into all the sub-arguments about Cindy Sheehan, I think she’s a great example of the opportunism of partisanship. There’s simply no way that establishment liberals would take the same tone if Bill Clinton were president under remotely similar circumstances. It is flatly inconceivable. Sure some of the Huffington Post types might make similar bleatings, but Juan Williams? No way. A lot of smart (and a lot of dumb) people who are striking a self-righteous pose when it comes to Sheehan, would undoubtedly be singing a different tune if a mother, adopted by ideological enemies of the president, were camping out outside of his vacation home (in Martha’s Vineyard or the like) under similar circumstances. Her previously friendly statements about the president would be used to damn her and that would be the end of it. The nightly news wouldn’t make her a hero and the lefty bloggers would write her off as a “Clinton hater,” a Freeper, a Buchananite or some other example of the “paranoid style” in American politics.
Meanwhile, I am sure it’s true that a lot of folks on the right would be taking up a “rightwing” Cindy Sheehan’s cause. But the key difference is that the Washington Post, New York Times and nightly news shows wouldn’t be volunteering as press agents.
Even giving Sheehan every benefit of the doubt, is it so impossible to understand that caving-in to publicity stunts of this sort is something presidents, Republican and Democrat, are naturally reluctant to do?
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SHEEHAN V. SHUGARD [Jonah Goldberg]
I don’t recall this so I don’t know if it’s true, but it sounds about right. Take as you will, from a reader:
Jonah: Do you recall Randy Shugard? Randy was the Army Ranger who, along with another Ranger, went into a crash site in Mogadishu to set up a protective perimeter around a crashed Blackhawk helicopter. For this action, Sgt. (I think) Shugard and his Ranger compatriot were awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor (posthumously). At the Medal ceremony, Randy Shugard’s father told then President Clinton that he (Clinton) was “unfit to be Commander-in-Chief” when President Clinton attempted to speak to Mr. Shugard.
I remember seeing one mention of the incident in the press at the time, alnog with a single picture of Mr. Shugard with a stern look on his face and President Clinton with what appeared to be surprise (if not shock). Otherwise, the MSM did not give any coverage to this incident. What do you think the press coverage would have been if President Bush had been the recipient of that type of parental outrage? I think we have a good idea from the coverage of Cindy Sheehan.
Keep up the good work.
SHEEHAN [Jonah Goldberg]
Without getting into all the sub-arguments about Cindy Sheehan, I think she’s a great example of the opportunism of partisanship. There’s simply no way that establishment liberals would take the same tone if Bill Clinton were president under remotely similar circumstances. It is flatly inconceivable. Sure some of the Huffington Post types might make similar bleatings, but Juan Williams? No way. A lot of smart (and a lot of dumb) people who are striking a self-righteous pose when it comes to Sheehan, would undoubtedly be singing a different tune if a mother, adopted by ideological enemies of the president, were camping out outside of his vacation home (in Martha’s Vineyard or the like) under similar circumstances. Her previously friendly statements about the president would be used to damn her and that would be the end of it. The nightly news wouldn’t make her a hero and the lefty bloggers would write her off as a “Clinton hater,” a Freeper, a Buchananite or some other example of the “paranoid style” in American politics.
Meanwhile, I am sure it’s true that a lot of folks on the right would be taking up a “rightwing” Cindy Sheehan’s cause. But the key difference is that the Washington Post, New York Times and nightly news shows wouldn’t be volunteering as press agents.
Even giving Sheehan every benefit of the doubt, is it so impossible to understand that caving-in to publicity stunts of this sort is something presidents, Republican and Democrat, are naturally reluctant to do?
AND…
SHEEHAN V. SHUGARD [Jonah Goldberg]
I don’t recall this so I don’t know if it’s true, but it sounds about right. Take as you will, from a reader:
Jonah: Do you recall Randy Shugard? Randy was the Army Ranger who, along with another Ranger, went into a crash site in Mogadishu to set up a protective perimeter around a crashed Blackhawk helicopter. For this action, Sgt. (I think) Shugard and his Ranger compatriot were awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor (posthumously). At the Medal ceremony, Randy Shugard’s father told then President Clinton that he (Clinton) was “unfit to be Commander-in-Chief” when President Clinton attempted to speak to Mr. Shugard.
I remember seeing one mention of the incident in the press at the time, alnog with a single picture of Mr. Shugard with a stern look on his face and President Clinton with what appeared to be surprise (if not shock). Otherwise, the MSM did not give any coverage to this incident. What do you think the press coverage would have been if President Bush had been the recipient of that type of parental outrage? I think we have a good idea from the coverage of Cindy Sheehan.
Keep up the good work.
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Richardols
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That woman has a right to protest her son’s death and grieve any way she wants. It’s her and it’s her son.
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jlw
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Yes, her first ammedment right to speech, assembly, and association, for which I defend…and she’s still dishonoring her son.
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Richardols
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How are you or anyone else on this Board, me included, fit to judge that she’s dishonoring her son? Do you know him? Do you know her? Do you know what she feels?
How legalistic you are. “It’s her first Amendment right…” No, it’s her right as a grieving and outraged mother of a son killed in war, and it would be her right to feel the way she does even if she lived in a country with no “1st Amendment.” Ever hear of the mothers of the “Desaparecidos” in Argentina?
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jlw
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Tit for tat, then, who are you to suggest that she ISN’T dishonoring her son??? Do you know him? Do you know her? He, who volunteered for duty and wanted to go to Iraq, so say the Sheehan family, who know the deal better than you or I??
Lord knows, she is grieving. What a HORRIBLE thing it must be to lose a son!! But I don’t think he would want it this way–to say his actions, for which he believed in, were meaningless??
Truth is, I am not mad at her. I’m mostly mad at the media and leftwing orgs who are exploiting her grief.
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estesbob
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My contmempt is for the LEFT who are using her sons death to try and score cheap political points. And yes, even though I recognize she is being driven by grief, she is dishonoring her son. He volunteered and per his family was proud of his service and beleived what he was doing was right,
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Richardols
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Your point that neither you nor I can judge either way is valid.
So, you can’t then say that he wouldn’t want his mother to act the way she does. We don’t know, and it would be better if we all reserved judgment about what her son would have wanted.
The sad thing is that, in a month or so, no one will remember who this young man was, except his family.
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estesbob
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And we have the right to criticize her. This woman has now aligned herslef with Moveon.org and Michael Moore. They care neither for her or her son. As the saying goes when you sleep with dogs you get flea’s.
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Richardols
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MY contempt is for the right-wingers who despise the woman for not thanking Mr. Bush for sending her son to his death.
Sure. Anyone who grieves that his or her son was killed in Iraq is dishonoring the country, but especially the leadership, that sent him there. If you’re not for George Bush, you are for Al Qaid’ah.
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jlw
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Right! The same family who is upset that Cindy is doing what she is doing!!
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Richardols
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You speak of that family as though Mrs. Sheehan wasn’t part of that family.
BTW, “Cindy”? You know her personally?
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AmyS
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The rest of his family, (who has been interviewed, and got two sentences or so printed) say she is dishonering him. Her feeling aren’t new, she was against the war before this happend. From what the family said, he wasn’t very happy with her point of view.
I can’t imagine the pain she is feeling, I would never want to. But, she is grieving. And, part of the grief process brings you through anger feelings. You seek someone or something to blame. Most people don’t see this in society day to day. But, she is showing her feelings through the media. She actually told a reporter on MSNBC that if Bush came out to talk to her it would extinguish her anger. Now, tell me this… Isn’t that what she wants? Or is there a point she is trying to make? Plus, Bush has already met with her.
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jlw
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Whoa, there!! We despise her??? NOOOO.
We are pained by her actions, maybe. We grieve with her, for we honor his voluntary sacrifice, for wearing the uniform. We can give her all benifit of the doubt, and we do, because grief can make people do all sorts of things. AND…her most recent actions, her statements, her associations with fever-swamp conspiracy-theorist leftist groups who blame america more than terrorists for the death in the middle east is dishonoring her son.
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AmyS
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You beat me to it.
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jlw
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Mrs Sheehan, sorry.
Of course, you speak of the family like Mrs Sheehan is the ONLY family member worth talking about???
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AmyS
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jlw said:Mrs Sheehan, sorry.
Of course, you speak of the family like Mrs Sheehan is the ONLY family member worth talking about???
So does the media… Interesting, huh!
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gilliam
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- The woman has the right to grieve , and we all need to honor that right.
- The woman has the right to protest the war, as she did before and after her son’s death.
- In her protest, she has the right to protest in the most effecive way she can think of (short of breaking a law).
My son will put himself in harms way this winter for her rights. Her son paid the ultimate sacrifice for those rights. His family paid as well.
Her son, if he is as honorable as he seems to have been, even though he was supporting the war, would want her to have her rights honored.
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gilliam
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He did more than just wear the uniform. He went back to Iraq when he didn’t have to.
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thestickman
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And those right-wingers you despise are?
Are you absolutely certain you don’t write copy for MoveOn.org? That line reads exactly like the stuff they tried to sucker voters into accepting during the 2004 elections.
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