Circumcision

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jess7396:
One more time, the circumcision of today is not the circumcision that God required, 2 very different things medically, and the circ. of today has no spiritual reasoning (except for Jews).
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Are you going to provide a link as requested earlier or just keep repeating yourself
 
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jess7396:
If they are doing it for vanity and are aware that there is no solid medical reasoning to do it, yes, that would be a sin, IMO, is that so hard to believe?
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I bet we’d be hard pressed to find a priest that would agree with your opinion, but as it is such, you are entitled to hold fast to it.
 
As far as " Let’s just agree to disagree and not bother to call us sinners." goes, well, firstly, I have said over and over that I did this to my first son. Secondly, it is entirely appropriate to point out that vanity is a sin, on a CATHOLIC board, if you did not do it for vanity’s sake, than I am not calling you a sinner. I know people hate to be told that something is a sin, but I am certain that vanity is a sin, a venial sin, but a sin nonetheless. I have been guilty of it many times. I am a sinner in all kinds of ways, and I usually like to know when something I am doing might be sinning, it helps me on my path.
 
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jess7396:
If they are doing it for vanity and are aware that there is no solid medical reasoning to do it, yes, that would be a sin, IMO, is that so hard to believe?
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I fail to see how it is a sin to to perform a procedure that is a reminder of our Jewish heritage.
 
I don’t think we’d be hard pressed at all, I believe someone quoted on page one how one of the councils of the Church forbade circumcision. I don’t have the time to look right at the moment, but will search out the info. for you tomrrow if you like.
 
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wabrams:
I fail to see how it is a sin to to perform a procedure that is a reminder of our Jewish heritage.
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OK, seriously, I am going to have to leave this thread(how many owuld love that ;)?) if people refuse to read what has already been pointed out repeatedly- routine infant circumcision performed as it is in hospitals in the US today, is not the same as the circumcision of our ancestors. If you are having a Briss for your son, you might have a point here though.
 
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wabrams:
I fail to see how it is a sin to to perform a procedure that is a reminder of our Jewish heritage.
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If the procedure is done out of vanity it is a sin.

If it is of no spiritual value nor medical necessity, and putting your child at some risk . . . it may be a sin.

try torah.org. the message board will have the topic on circumcision.

What next? Bill Bennet is misunderstood?
 
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jess7396:
OK, seriously, I am going to have to leave this thread(how many owuld love that ;)?) if people refuse to read what has already been pointed out repeatedly- routine infant circumcision performed as it is in hospitals in the US today, is not the same as the circumcision of our ancestors. If you are having a Briss for your son, you might have a point here though.
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You’ve yet to give us proof.
 
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wabrams:
Are you going to provide a link as requested earlier or just keep repeating yourself
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Sorry, I did not see where someone requested it, off to get it for you, my apologies, if I knew someone had asked for the link, I would’ve given it before now :).
 
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Golf_Nut:
If the procedure is done out of vanity it is a sin.

If it is of no spiritual value nor medical necessity, and putting your child at some risk . . . it may be a sin.

try torah.org. the message board will have the topic on circumcision.

What next? Bill Bennet is misunderstood?
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That’s really streching things.
 
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wabrams:
Are you going to provide a link as requested earlier or just keep repeating yourself
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I just read back, and no one did ask for a link (I thought maybe I was loosing my mind or had really missed something-someone did ask about what it was like, and I answered, she never asked for a link to prove it), but I did provide some since you seemed to want them. 😃
 
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jess7396:
I just read back, and no one did ask for a link (I thought maybe I was loosing my mind or had really missed something-someone did ask about what it was like, and I answered, she never asked for a link to prove it), but I did provide some since you seemed to want them. 😃
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Try post #59. Isn’t doesn’t ask for a link specifically, but you get the jist.
 
Yes, and as I said, I answered her, and then she didn’t ask for “proof” so I assumed she believed me, and did not require a link. Either way, I gave one now.
 
ok - first of all… your links are invalid because they are all pro- circumcision. There are no balanced views expressed on these sites. And second of all… the foreskin is NOT a functioning part of the body… it serves no purpose whatsoever. And there is no difference between how it was done 4000 years ago verses how its done today… its simply cut off. Its not difficult. Its not vanity… it is healthier… there is plenty of medical evidence. Look on web MD or any reputable medical website.

Anyone can find evidence for whatever they want to believe…but most men are circumcised and they are better off becasue of it. Any man who has several circumcised sons and then changes his mind with the last 1 or 2 has given in and surrendered his family’s leadership and authority to his wife. That how I see it.
 
mr trident:
ok - first of all… your links are invalid because they are all pro- circumcision. There are no balanced views expressed on these sites. And second of all… the foreskin is NOT a functioning part of the body… it serves no purpose whatsoever. And there is no difference between how it was done 4000 years ago verses how its done today… its simply cut off. Its not difficult. Its not vanity… it is healthier… there is plenty of medical evidence. Look on web MD or any reputable medical website.

Anyone can find evidence for whatever they want to believe…but most men are circumcised and they are better off becasue of it. Any man who has several circumcised sons and then changes his mind with the last 1 or 2 has given in and surrendered his family’s leadership and authority to his wife. That how I see it.
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Actually, my links were ANTI circ. not pro ;). Your argument that they are invalid b/c of that reminds me of those who argue against the teachings of the Church and are upset when I link to EWTN or here- :LOL.

Direct question- if circumcision were truly healthier, why is there not ONE major medical organization that recommends it? A few articles about it on web MD is not the same as a recommendation.

Where do you get your info. that the circ. of today is the same of that done thousands of years ago- as in- link please :D.

As far as your attempted insult to my husband- Very nice btw ;). I have so much respect for a man who can look into an issue, even after having had his head in the sand for some time, and decide that a different course of action is appropriate, I say “hooray!” for any man that can learn something new and make the best decision for his family based on that. My husband is a good man, and certainly the head of this household, but he is no dictator who needs to believe that he knows all at all times, he can grow and learn with me, thank goodness for that.

I wonder why you refuse to think that the foreskin serves a purpose, is it because then circumcised men might just be missing something?
 
Also- you are simply uninformed if you think that most men are circ.ed, that is far from the truth.
 
mr trident:
ok - first of all… your links are invalid because they are all pro- circumcision. There are no balanced views expressed on these sites. And second of all… the foreskin is NOT a functioning part of the body… it serves no purpose whatsoever. And there is no difference between how it was done 4000 years ago verses how its done today… its simply cut off. Its not difficult. Its not vanity… it is healthier… there is plenty of medical evidence. Look on web MD or any reputable medical website.

Anyone can find evidence for whatever they want to believe…but most men are circumcised and they are better off becasue of it. Any man who has several circumcised sons and then changes his mind with the last 1 or 2 has given in and surrendered his family’s leadership and authority to his wife. That how I see it.
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  1. No one asked for web links that provided “balanced views”. They asked for proof for a position and that was what was provided.
  2. My earlobes are not a functioning part of my body, should I have them removed too? How about my appendix?
  3. To be honest, I’ve not researched the methods of then vs now so I’m not qualified to comment
  4. Whether it is healtheir or not is debatable… ask the men who have had long-lasting negative effects if they are medically better off.
  5. Most men are NOT circumsized. This is practice found mostly among American and Jewish men.
  6. Your last comment was sooo off base, I don’t even know where to start. Save that for another thread.
 
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