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markomalley said:
Allow me to blow up a portion of the picture to help you see. I understand sometimes pictures aren’t quite good enough.

(Note: I’m relatively sure somebody will come back and say, “see, see…they only prohibit it if it shows cleavage AND the belly button!!!”)
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Sorry, I didn’t blow up the picture.

Still, unless Lost_Sheep can tell us that his parish has a dress code,he shouldn’t had said anything. Or said something to the pastor, and allowed the pastor to say something
I don’t understand why some people have something against modesty.
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I guess from such attitudes, slutwalks are born.
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I don’t have anything against modesty.

But this isn’t about modesty, at least it isn’t for me.

It is about making someone so uncomfortable that they leave Mass. And then to be glad about it. Remember, he used the :D. He seemed quite pleased with himself.
 
markomalley said:
I guess from such attitudes, slutwalks are born.
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Had to register just to address this comment.

Slutwalks exist because people, like myself, are told that we should have prevented rape that was done to us. I was personally out with a group of friends when it happened, in loose, modest clothing (covered from the neck down, although short sleeves that stopped at my elbows were worn). Telling my story in the presence of any man over the age of 40, including clergy, has led to disbelief and comments that I’m lying about the circumstances. Comments that I shouldn’t have gone out with men, even in mixed company have also been made.

Seeing the need for slutwalks equated with being disrespectfully dressed at mass just shows how bad the problem really is, and how much we as a society need to rethink our attitudes towards women.

Edit: For the record, even if a woman (or man, because it happens to them too) is walking around naked she deserves the basic human decency from others of not being raped. If anyone REALLY can’t control themself because of cleavage, look away. Just like I, and many others, do when an image (or passages in a book) appears that they find stimulating.
 
Walking_Home said:
Like I said --one does not help oneself – by covering up/ justifying our temptations. Any thread–dealing with women and clothes that comes up – it’s the same thing. “Justifications” come from every direction. No – no – no – it can’t be me alone responsible for my temptation/lust --nope – its the temptresses. There I feel better.
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Thankfully, no one has said this, or even close from what I have read. This is an assumption you have made alone without the assistance of others. I encourage you to actually digest what people are saying rather than what you imagine they are saying. You are defending a position against one that has not been made.
 
Showing major cleavage is never acceptable, just like I think wearing flip flops is disrespectful, but it is not a valid reason to kick someone out of Church. That is not the Christian thing to do,

That being said I have seen on more than one occasion where a young person who is in the spotlight and obviously lacks common sense/courtesy for appropriate dress, come to church dressed like she was going to a nightclub. Seriously. I was shocked and was almost tempted to comfort her myself since we are of the same age, but that would have caused more distractions during Mass. Rest assured, nobody kicked her out. They gossiped, but to thrust someone out would have been more tasteless.
 
In case the thought of gossiping about what people wear --comes to mind:
Pope Francis
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On How We Live the Eucharist
“Through the Eucharist, Christ wants to enter into our existence and permeate it with His grace,”
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We all go to Mass because we love Jesus and we want to share in the Eucharist his Passion and Resurrection. But do we love, as Jesus wants, those brothers and sisters that are most in need? For example, in Rome in these days we have see so many social hardships or because of the rain, which has done so much damage to entire neighborhoods, or for the lack of work, consequences of the economic crisis in the whole world. I ask myself, and each one us should ask themselves: I, who go to Mass, how do I live this? Do I make sure to help, to come close to, to pray for those who have this problem? Or am I a little indifferent? Or maybe I’m concerned with gossip: Have you seen how that woman is dressed, or how that man is dressed? Sometimes this is done, after Mass, and it shouldn’t be done! We should worry about our brothers and our sister that are in need because of a sickness, a problem. Today, it would do us well to think of these our brothers and sisters that have these problems here in Rome: problems caused by the tragedy provoked by the rain, social problems and work. Let us ask Jesus, who we received in the Eucharist, to help us to help them.
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zenit.org/en/articles/on-how-we-live-the-eucharist
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Nacho45 said:
If it were my mother, sister, wife or daughter, I would tell them to dress properly…and have done so.
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I said look at them with respect, as persons, look at them as you would seeyour sisters, mother.
 
AuditVocemMeam said:
Now let’s not misrepresent people’s posts. It’s bad manners.

CCC 2284 Scandal is an attitude or behavior which leads another to do evil. The person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor’s tempter. He damages virtue and integrity; he may even draw his brother into spiritual death. Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense.
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No misrepresentation. No accusations please. How does that section change the fact that most men have self control and see all women as persons and with respect?
 
severus68 said:
Christ did not whip anyone. He overturned tables etc.

Did He ever say to anyone “stay away from me, you are a sinner, I don’t like what you wear, how you look?”
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“And Jesus went into the temple of God, and **cast out **all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the money changers, and the chairs of them that sold doves.”

Sometimes people act inappropriately to be present in the house of God (hence the Vatican’s dress code, etc).

I am not saying that I would have done the same thing that the poster did in this topic, btw.
 
underacloud said:
Concupiscence is an effect of the fall. Most men have a hard time not glancing at exposed cleavage. It is inherent in our fallen nature. Certainly we are not, or should not be, like animals on heat, but we are nonetheless distracted/tempted by such things.
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If men looked at women as persons and at their faces, especially in church, they would not notice whether or not they are well endowed.
 
severus68 said:
If men looked at women as persons and at their faces, especially in church, they would not notice whether or not they are well endowed.
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And if everyone just didn’t sin, life would be great. Meanwhile in the real world…
 
hamandcheese said:
It is my respect for humanity and appreciation of the fact that we are all loved by God that causes me to be disgusted when I see women, His daughters, dressed like slovenly prostitutes debasing their human dignity.

You may think that its an act of charity to be accepting of someone showing up at Church half naked but its really an act of cowardness and self indulgence on your part.

Cowardness because you are afraid to speak out and correct them in their sin and self indulgence because its easier and it feels good when you adopt the attitude of “ who am I to judge she can do whatever’s right for her.”

Shame on you Catholics for pretending not to know right and wrong!

Shame on you for making personal remarks to me and others here who disagree with you. Will not be responding to you any more.

Stop being fixated on the breasts it’s the truth that im talking about. To me this is about the denial of objective truth and the heresy of relativism.
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severus68 said:
If men looked at women as persons and at their faces, especially in church, they would not notice whether or not they are well endowed.
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We should of course view each other as persons, and sons and daughters of God.

But if your peripheral vision is so bad that you don’t notice a well endowed woman (and please not I said exposed cleavage specifically) even when looking at her face when talking, I think you need to see an optometrist.
 
severus68 said:
Each person is responsible for hi/her own sin. Blaming a woman for a man’s lust is a cop out and shameful.
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It’s a good thing I didn’t blame someone else for another’s sin, or did you refuse to understand what I was saying to imagine I had in some way?
 
maryjk said:
It doesn’t sound like this dress code is posted at Lost_Sheep’s parish. Instead he took it upon himself to correct someone.

And even if it was, the dress code doesn’t say anything about cleavage. 🤷

If he had approached me, I would have told him to go fly a kite.
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Lol.
 
markomalley said:
Allow me to blow up a portion of the picture to help you see. I understand sometimes pictures aren’t quite good enough.

https://imgur.com/ypZZmJT

(Note: I’m relatively sure somebody will come back and say, “see, see…they only prohibit it if it shows cleavage AND the belly button!!!”)

I don’t understand why some people have something against modesty.

I guess from such attitudes, slutwalks are born.
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You obviously have no idea what slutwalks were about.
 
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