Cleveland Priest Against Vatican's Investigation of Nuns

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Tess15010 said:
FutureChurch

Mission and Vision

Our Mission: FutureChurch seeks changes that will provide all Roman Catholics the opportunity to participate fully in Church life and leadership

This is their mission statement:
Our Vision: FutureChurch works for:
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  * Just, open and collaborative structures for Catholic worship, organization and governance.

 * A return to the Church’s early tradition of both married and celibate priests.

 * A return to the Church’s earliest   tradition, modeled on the inclusive practice of Jesus, of recognizing both female and male leaders of faith communities.

 * Regular access to the Eucharist, the center of Catholic life and worship, for all Catholics.
Guiding Principle: Future Church’s activities grow from a spirituality based on the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Eucharist, the Spirit-filled beliefs of the faithful, and the teachings of Vatican II.

Women Priesthood is high on their list…Yes I find them troubling. No I am not from Cleveland but have visited their headquarters
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Tess,

I can vouch for you about “women priesthood” being high on Future Church’s list, from what I saw some years back when I visited their booth at the Cuyahoga County Fair one time out of curiosity.

Yes, I’m from Cleveland.

Though I for one respect your posts, your intelligence, and your integrity without feeling the need to interrogate you as to where you live.

As for me, I don’t bother with Future Church so my path hasn’t crossed theirs in years. What I love about Cleveland is a parish right in the heart of downtown that offers the Latin Mass and is fully in union with the Pope. An absolute blessing!

There are other good parishes where I’ve attended Mass in the Cleveland suburbs offering a reverent Mass in English as well as Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration.

Of course, it’s the bad news or the sensationalistic news in Cleveland that the media all rush to report.

:blessyou:
 
phoenix,
I guess I should 'fess up. I am a mother of a seminarian who is very orthodox. His orthodoxy scares some because they view him as too conservative in a modern world. His cassock and love of the language of the Church…latin…is upsetting to some. By some I am viewed as being a romantic and old fashioned because of my old Catholic practices which have been adopted by my children through example.

Yes, the Future Church and people like Sister Christine worry me. I pray daily for her. I did get into some of the contraversy when a few women “ordained” themselves in Pittsburgh. Many are sympathetic to their cause.

I do not think that Cleveland is in an “overthrow” but I do think the Church has to be vigilant due to the impact of secularism in our society.

thank you for being so kind in your remarks…God bless & Happy Sonday!
 
Well Tess,

You’re making me wish you did live in Cleveland, as it sounds like we have a lot in common. And you know, I was actually born in Steeler Town.

May God bless your son. We need more priests like him … and orthodox nuns, too.

PAX ET BONUM,

~~ the phoenix
 
“As for women religious, in 1992 a group of religious orders withdrew from the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) because of its dissent. They founded the Council of Major Superiors of Women Religious (CMSWR) approved by the Vatican in 1995. While LCWR represents 292 communities to CMSWR’s 90, many of the members of the latter are bulging with new vocations while the LCWR orders are dying out.”
–from an article by Mary Ann Kreitzer
lesfemmes-thetruth.org/v12_4_catholics_betraying_faith.htm
 
Tess15010 said:
phoenix,
I guess I should 'fess up. I am a mother of a seminarian who is very orthodox. His orthodoxy scares some because they view him as too conservative in a modern world. His cassock and love of the language of the Church…latin…is upsetting to some. By some I am viewed as being a romantic and old fashioned because of my old Catholic practices which have been adopted by my children through example.

Yes, the Future Church and people like Sister Christine worry me. I pray daily for her. I did get into some of the contraversy when a few women “ordained” themselves in Pittsburgh. Many are sympathetic to their cause.

I do not think that Cleveland is in an “overthrow” but I do think the Church has to be vigilant due to the impact of secularism in our society.

thank you for being so kind in your remarks…God bless & Happy Sonday!
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Praise God for orthodox seminarians. It is a hopeful sign, and a trend. In my own diocese, the seminarians–and there are an abundance of them–are joyful, faithful, and orthodox. I see the same trend even among our Catholic high school students. It is a good sign.
 
Tess15010 said:
Women Priesthood is high on their list…Yes I find them troubling. No I am not from Cleveland but have visited their headquarters
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They want women Deacons. Which the early Church had. I think they would like to discuss women being priests, or some of them would, but they seem to be most interested in being Deacons. I don’t see anything very dangerous here.

I don’t care much for polarizing, but I am a fan of dialogue.
 
the_phoenix said:
Yes, let’s take a look at America in 1982. Please. 🙂

" … Soviet domination of Poland and Eastern Europe ended, along with the Soviet Union itself, without a shot being fired, thanks to that alliance that was formed in June 1982 between two men who understood the evil nature of communism and knew how to bring it down.
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And while interesting history has nothing whatsoever to do with JPII’s attitude toward American Catholicism which was the topic.
 
the_phoenix said:
I’m in Cleveland.
I see you’re from the New England Coast?
👋
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I’m actually from Cleveland, and now am living here. But I left when I entered college so I don’t even know what papers are still around. When you said I should read about what’s going on but you can’t post any links, I thought maybe you’d tell me what local papers are carrying the story.

To post a link, go to the site, look up at the address bar and copy whatever is in it and just paste the whole thing here. When you post, the program will turn it into a link. It doesn’t have to be fancy.

Link to this post: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=9366867#post9366867
 
Julia_Mae said:
They want women Deacons. Which the early Church had. I think they would like to discuss women being priests, or some of them would, but they seem to be most interested in being Deacons. I don’t see anything very dangerous here.

I don’t care much for polarizing, but I am a fan of dialogue.
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We don’t dialogue about the trinity, or papal infallibility, or countless other dogmas and doctrines, so why should we dialogue about the impossibility of women receiving Holy Orders? We can explain them, absolutely. But “dialogue” is usually a thinly-veiled attempt of a belligerent to try to get a “policy” (really a dogma or doctrine, or a teaching derived from such) “changed.” Which they of course cannot be.

And the early Church did not have women deacons, they had deaconesses, which were women who were not in Holy Orders. “Deaconesses” in reality were not “women deacons.”
 
Julia_Mae said:
And while interesting history has nothing whatsoever to do with JPII’s attitude toward American Catholicism which was the topic.
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And what, pray tell, did your mention of making “E.T. No. 1 at the boxoffice” have to do with American Catholicism?

:whacky:
 
Julia_Mae said:
When you said I should read about what’s going on but you can’t post any links, I thought maybe you’d tell me what local papers are carrying the story.

To post a link, go to the site, look up at the address bar and copy whatever is in it and just paste the whole thing here. When you post, the program will turn it into a link. It doesn’t have to be fancy.

Link to this post: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=9366867#post9366867
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It wasn’t me that said that. Just to be clear. I think you meant to refer to a post by Tess15010. See post #39 in this thread. Thanks.
 
While I’m a huge fan of science fiction myself, I thought the ET comment definitely came from way out in outer space! :takeoff:

But as far as Pope John Paul II’s stance toward American Catholicism, here’s a quote from World Youth Day in Denver, Colorado in 1993.

August 12, 1993, World Youth Day in Denver, Colorado
“Young people of America and of the world, listen to what Christ the Redeemer is saying to you! ‘To all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God.’ The World Youth Day challenges you to be fully conscious of who you are as God’s dearly beloved sons and daughters.”

It appears to me that Pope John Paul II recognized American Catholic Youth as “God’s dearly beloved sons and daughters” and didn’t harbor any type of Cold War grudge, or any other type of grudge, against them.

Granted, the above quote comes from 1993, not 1982. :rolleyes:

But I really enjoyed having an opportunity to post a big smiling photo of Ronald Reagan and the Pope from 1982, and discuss their friendly alliance against Communism and in support of Poland. Because it only seems logical that the Pope was well aware of all the American Catholic love and support he was getting from those of us who had the honor and privilege of voting for pro-life Reagan, and so would in turn look kindly on such American Catholics. 🙂 And I personally would not want to accuse the Pope of looking down on or holding grudges on ANY types of American Catholics, especially with no evidence to back it up.
 
YoungTradCath said:
And the early Church did not have women deacons, they had deaconesses, which were women who were not in Holy Orders. “Deaconesses” in reality were not “women deacons.”
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It’s in the NT. And it’s another thread.
 
You can’t “examine it closely” you can just read the NT which makes no distinctions such as the one mentioned. It’s still another thread.
 
the_phoenix said:
And what, pray tell, did your mention of making “E.T. No. 1 at the boxoffice” have to do with American Catholicism?

:whacky:
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ET being no, .1 at the boxoffice, in context of the post, was not about American Catholicism which was not the topic of the post, as you know. The topic of the post was how JPII’s attitude toward the American Catholic church could be placed in historical context in terms of his background. And now I’m done.
 
You might have to guess, but the priest who wrote the letter is far far better informed on these matters than a CAF poster.

The letter addresses several quite good points. The most important not having to do with women religious, but with a hierarchy that is not responsive to serious issues and looking for answers within itself as well as without.
 
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