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Instead of lots of little threads, I’m starting another main thread to share news topics related to climate change.

PNG is doing the right thing, bringing in affordable power to improve the lives of their citizens. PNG has one of the world’s lowest electrification rates: only about 13 percent of its people have access to mains electricity.

PNG politicians push coal as Pacific islanders rail against climate change​

 
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New peer reviewed research

North America (180-0°N, 15-60°N) has been characterized as a “major cooling center” by the authors of a new paper (Gan et al., 2019) published in Earth and Space Science…The continent warmed from 1982-1998, but a cooling trend since 1998 has nearly wiped out all the previous warming…Overall, there has been no significant temperature change in North America since 1982.​

Link to paper https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1029/2018EA000443

A discussion of the findings
http://notrickszone.com/2019/03/14/...h-no-significant-overall-warming-since-1982/#
 
Meanwhile, here is what is happening in Australia (according to the Australian Bureau of Meteorology):
  • Australia’s third-warmest year on record, with the annual national mean temperature 1.14 °C above average
  • Both mean annual maximum and minimum temperatures above average for all States and the Northern Territory
  • Annual national mean maximum temperature second-warmest on record (1.55 °C above average)
  • Widespread warmth persistent throughout the year; January, February, March, April, July, October, and December all amongst the ten warmest on record for Australian mean temperature for their respective months
  • Nationally-averaged rainfall 11% below average for the year at 412.8 mm (1961–1990 average 465.2 mm)
  • Rainfall below average for very large areas, affecting central and southern Queensland, New South Wales, Victoria, eastern South Australia, and the South West Land Division in Western Australia
So if you want to pick cherries, I can find some hot ones.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Meanwhile, here is what is happening in Australia
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no worries, we have time, we won’t see a peak in Chinese emissions until around 2025-2030. if it was urgent the Paris agreement would not have allowed increased emissions…
 
LeafByNiggle said:
So if you want to pick cherries, I can find some hot ones.
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I referenced peer reviewed research that compared the temp trend in north america over many decades.

You cherry picked individual years for Australia.

You are the only one cherry picking, to discredit actual science.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
So if you want to pick cherries, I can find some hot ones.
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I referenced peer reviewed research that compared the temp trend in north america over many decades.

You cherry picked individual years for Australia.

You are the only one cherry picking, to discredit actual science.
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You cherry picked which continent to report on. (Did you look for peer-reviewed research on the Australian continent? No? That’s cherry picking on your part.) I have no problem with the actual science you cited. I do have a problem when that result that applied only to North America is used to imply something about global warming. And for the record, my citing of Australian weather is cherry picking too. But I make no claims about that report saying anything about global climate change.
 
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You cherry picked which continent to report on.
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No I didn’t

I shared a peer reviewed research report that looked in depth at north america.
I didn’t pass over papers on other continents

and FYI, North America has probably the most comprehensive record of temperatures.

You’re still not acknowledging your response to a scientific paper was to throw out a few high temp years from Australia. Instead why don’t you counter with a comprehensive view of Australia.
You are the one cherry picking as if it refuted what the paper said about North America.
 
The reference I cited had nothing to do with North America. No one ought to think my citation of Australia was a refutation of the report from North America. Just as no one ought to think your citation of North America was a refutation of global warming, which I know you didn’t state overtly, but some casual readers might think otherwise, so my posting was to correct that misconception if anyone happened to have it.

The fact that North America has the most comprehensive record of temperatures reminds me of a story of a man who lost his keys while walking home at night. Enlisting the help of a passerby, the man and his helper searched diligently all around a lamp post, but the keys were not found. Finally the helper asked the man whose keys were lost where he most likely dropped them. The man pointed to a dark stretch of the road a little ways away. The helper asked him, “Then why are we searching here around the lamp post?” The man answered “because this is where the light is.”
 
Two good stories on recycling. I’ve started to be more carful in cleaning my recycle items.

As costs skyrocket, more U.S. cities stop recycling [link]

Stemming the tide of trash: 5 essential reads on recycling [link]
 
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How RCP8.5, a valuable worst-case scenario, has been misrepresented to incite fear in the American public.
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Interesting article. I was especially impressed with this observation.

“But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success.”
 
That is very true. Good examples are:
  1. The hiatus.
  2. Temperatures are fudged.
  3. This is just the natural recovery from the Little Ice Age.
  4. Global cooling is more likely going forward.
  5. As many scientists reject MMGW as accept it.
  6. It’s all a hoax by Al Gore.
  7. Warming would be good for us.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
That is very true. Good examples are:
  1. The hiatus.
  2. Temperatures are fudged.
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These probably weren’t the best examples to choose. The entire climate scientific community investigated the hiatus for over 15 years trying to explain it, right up until NASA/NOAA changed the temperature record to eliminate it.


https://www.newsmax.com/LarryBell/CATO-DQA-MIT-NOAA/2016/02/01/id/712153/
 
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LeafByNiggle:
That is very true. Good examples are:
  1. The hiatus.
  2. Temperatures are fudged.
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These probably weren’t the best examples to choose. The entire climate scientific community investigated the hiatus for over 15 years trying to explain it, right up until NASA/NOAA changed the temperature record to eliminate it.
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Your repetition of these points but confirms my observation that they are being repeated over and over, just as your quotation said:

"But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success.”
 
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LeafByNiggle said:
That is very true. Good examples are:
  1. The hiatus.
  2. Temperatures are fudged.
  3. This is just the natural recovery from the Little Ice Age.
  4. Global cooling is more likely going forward.
  5. As many scientists reject MMGW as accept it.
  6. It’s all a hoax by Al Gore.
  7. Warming would be good for us.
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I’m not sure who’s post you feel you are responding to.

Your weak bullets are a weak deflection from actual content posted that you could comment upon.
 
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