Cloning from the Shroud of Turin?

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The shroud is a little hobby of mine and I found the article very poorly written, with glaring innacuracies, and hence unreliable. There are much better books to use as sources.

As noted above, all those John the Baptist references when John the Evangelist should have been referred.

Also, the confusing of palms and wrists is unforgiveable. One of the big points of the shroud is that it defies the traditional iconography of the crucifixion in that the wrists are the only place which could support body weight.

As to the cloning, what a horrific idea! I think the best you could do is what Crichton suggests in the novel Jurassic Park, splicing the DNA fragments onto an intact DNA specimen from a modern human sample. This would not be Jesus. In the novel, dino DNA fragments were spliced into frog DNA.
 
vern humphrey:
Here’s a follow up:

From http://www.shroud.com/bucklin2.htm

The Legal and Medical Aspects of the Trial and Death of Christ

“The injuries to the body can be best divided into five groups: The marks of the scourge, the nail imprints in the wrists, the nail marks in the feet, the wounds on the head, and the wound in the chest.”
"Examination of imprints left by the hands and arms of Christ provides a great deal of information, and here again it becomes immediately apparent that the position of the nails as ordinarily depicted is subject to some question. The hands as they appear on the imprint, show the marks of four fingers well. There is, however, no evidence of imprints left by the thumbs. The hands are crossed, with the left hand appearing on top of the right and covering the right wrist. In the region of the left wrist, there is a bloodstain which represents the mark left by the nail. That this mark is not in the palm is easily ascertained by simple measurements taken from the site of the mark to the tips of the fingers, proving that the mark is not in the center of the palm, but in the wrist. The mark left by the nail in the right wrist is covered by the left hand. "
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Very good article! Thanks for presenting that! 👍
 
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MulusChristi:
Greetings,
The shroud is a little hobby of mine and I found the article very poorly written, with glaring innacuracies, and hence unreliable. There are much better books to use as sources.

As noted above, all those John the Baptist references when John the Evangelist should have been referred.

Also, the confusing of palms and wrists is unforgiveable. One of the big points of the shroud is that it defies the traditional iconography of the crucifixion in that the wrists are the only place which could support body weight.

As to the cloning, what a horrific idea! I think the best you could do is what Crichton suggests in the novel Jurassic Park, splicing the DNA fragments onto an intact DNA specimen from a modern human sample. This would not be Jesus. In the novel, dino DNA fragments were spliced into frog DNA.
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It makes one wonder, are we so impatient for Christ to return that even if it were possible to clone the Holy Shroud, we would go and clone it, and say that this would be His second coming? Jesus
Himself says, that no one knows the hour or the day! Why then
make an attempt to clone the DNA on the Shroud? Do the alleged people who want to clone samples of the DNA think that God would even allow it? Are men so desperate for Christ’s return that
they want to create a clone, and call it the second coming? Why not put their complete faith in Him that He will return as He has said. If they cloned it, would you not think that that would make God angry? I would tend to think so!
 
jdnation said:
It seems the article is not by the site but from PRAVDA, a Russian newspiece. Guess they got a few details wrong, particulrly the John the Baptist part.

I’m also interested in the hands Vs. Wrists argument. I guess it does work with putting it through the palm yet exiting at the wrists… or nailing the palms and tieing the wrists to the cross… as shown in ‘The Passion of the Christ’ ?
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I think the description (Anne Catherine Emmerich’s, " Dolorous Passion of Jesus Christ") details the nails entering the palms angularly and existing from the wrists thus attaching to the Cross explains the bewilderments.

There was also a lacing of what is probably leather to add more support for the arms.

As for the “cloning” I believe that happens to all of us when we consume His Body and Blood in the Eucharist. We take on His “DNA” in a manner of speaking.
 
I know that the OP is from two years ago, but the only way I would support getting DNA off of the shroud is if you did it to compare the shroud DNA to the DNA found on The Suderium of Oviedo.

Imagine the shockwaves it would send if the DNA on both cloths were identical.:eek:
 
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