Clothes at Mass

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Wow!

Not much happening the last day or so , …then this.
Everyone get their “second wind”?

I’m heading for mass wearing slacks, and oxford shirt, sweater and shoes with socks.

Shall we take a vote? 👍

God bless you all.

Kev
 
Reductio ad absurdam.

He only sees who I AM - and yes, He also sees me when I AM naked. And guess what, I look the same to Him naked or clothed, just as Adam and Eve did in the garden. Their new clothing didn’t hide their shame or their sinful souls from Him. Neither did St John the Baptist’s shabby camel hair detract a single iota from his sanctity.

It’s not about God loving me no matter what - it’s about God KNOWING who I am no matter what, and me being the same person in His eyes, for better or worse, no matter what I wear.

I’d love to be able to imagine that a snazzy new set of threads would make Him look more favourably on me, since it’s much easier to buy new clothing than reform my soul. But I cannot bring myself to think that God cares so much about clothing as we do.

As for the good folks around me, sadly, they DON’T see only my heart. And I have to live among them. THAT’S why I don’t go anywhere naked - I dress so as to neither scandalise nor be an occasion of sin to them. I doubt severely that my wearing jeans (no, they’re neither tight nor lowcut, nor ripped nor dirty, nor embroidered with offensive words) is at all an occasion of sin for anyone.
I’ve quoted you so everyone can see your post again. Also, thank you.
“I cannot bring myself to think that God cares so much about clothing as we do.”
 
It’s more about how much you would dress for work compared for church. You’ll get in trouble at many workplaces in the clothes people don’t mind wearing to church. Maybe your work is top-notch at the firm, but the place says “respect”. Then, there is the visible boss also. Dressing in moderate, yet, not business casual, does not mean you can be unprepared either. If the environment is sill, do you take the boss that seriously? Wouldn’t he/she still be impressed if you went through the trouble of wearing men’s or women’s business formal wear?
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 I don't think sleeveless blouses are ok most anywhere and the article talks non-specifically about that.  Women look at guys almost like they look at them and so guys need to dress modestly.  Still, why dress less formally than you do for work.  I think, psychologically, it says something about your respect for the place and the one or One who runs it.  Why must it be one or the other, but both if it's convenient?  Why not both equally?  Obviously, you shouldn't think your state of soul is equatable to formalwear of fine threads (Sister Mariana in the link's soul was equatable to a dress with fine threads, but she did have a uniform you don't wear to a mall and it is the most proper moderately-formal wear for a religious sister), but they can help each other reach a moderate level of formal preparation for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass (the angels aren't dressing down as a concern for being too showy;  we can dress in law-firm wear for one stinkin' hour--the time limit being "stinkin'").  Does it matter it's not required?
I don’t think this argument is about whether God sees your soul better in formal clothes as it is about modernist lines of thinking people don’t understand they are following.
 
My comment was related to the life and work of Sister Marianna.

I’ve worked in many emergency positions, from residential care of mentally ill children to oversight of a Labor-and-Delivery unit for women in crisis pregnancies. There have been times when my work clothes are less than ideal for a corporate boardroom but I’m certain they are perfectly acceptable for attendance at Holy Mass. Even bloodstained clothes can be hidden under a coat. As Lily said, God knows quite well who I am and why I’m dressed in a certain way. Would it be better if I “skip” attending Mass since there are times when I can’t get home to change clothes? NO.
 
Incidentally, these lines and pokes based on assumptions of “modernist lines of thinking” are very judgmental - and who’s to say they’re truthful? Insulting, yes, but truthful? Says who?
 
He did not say we shall be judged as fit to enter heaven based upon a headcovering or neatly ironed and impressive clothing worn to Church .
It is not about being judged. It is about respect to God and His divine worship! The importantance of Sunday Mass!
 
Nice. Indeed, the exterior appearance often reflects interior disposition. This is what the liberals do not understand.
St. Francis, Jesus, St Martin, and Mother Teresa must have been liberal hippies, because they advocated the same thing. All you have to do is open your eyes and read their writings.

If you wish to go by exteriors, which is holier a Black or White man? Yes, this is a thread about clothes but there are some on this site and many parishes that do think along racial and socio-economic lines. For example the thread about Hispanics in church. Its apparent why many saints chose to live in poverty or in isolation, so they would not be corrupted by the materialism of this world.
 
St. Francis, Jesus, St Martin, and Mother Teresa must have been liberal hippies, because they advocated the same thing. All you have to do is open your eyes and read their writings.

If you wish to go by exteriors, which is holier a Black or White man? Yes, this is a thread about clothes but there are some on this site and many parishes that do think along racial and socio-economic lines. For example the thread about Hispanics in church. Its apparent why many saints chose to live in poverty or in isolation, so they would not be corrupted by the materialism of this world.
St. Vincent de Paul also founded a number of communities, still alive and well today. Knowing that his Sisters would be out among the poor and very much in the world, he gave them “for your veil, holy modesty.” Yes, of course they wore head coverings, true to the directives of the day (400 years ago in France) but he insisted they NOT swath themselves in reams of material that would make them appear to be like other women (nuns and laity) of the time. His insistence rather was that they clothe themselves in VIRTUE. How appropriate. How wise. How good!
 
Great response that totally demolished my argument there :yawn:
How about this?

I am most comfortable in shorts and tee shirts. This is what is comfort for me and what I prefer. But when in God’s house my comfort and desire is not my first priority. It is what is modest, clean and respectful to the situation.

A FORMAL MEAL WITH MY LORD AND SAVIOR is worth the time and effort to dress like I respect the people I am eating with.

If I was dressing to impress others I would shop at the Mall fro my skirts, dresses and blouses. I shop the thrift stores and though I look nice no one can ever say I dress flashy.
 
How about this?

I am most comfortable in shorts and tee shirts. This is what is comfort for me and what I prefer. But when in God’s house my comfort and desire is not my first priority. It is what is modest, clean and respectful to the situation.

A FORMAL MEAL WITH MY LORD AND SAVIOR is worth the time and effort to dress like I respect the people I am eating with.

If I was dressing to impress others I would shop at the Mall fro my skirts, dresses and blouses. I shop the thrift stores and though I look nice no one can ever say I dress flashy.
Well then, there you have it. I would never dress in shorts and a tee - anywhere - except at home during true heat waves and yes, it would be for comfort. I dress in a way that allows me to enter any church or chapel at anytime and know that I’m modestly dressed. (Not that there are many unlocked churches these days as there were during my childhood and young adult years, but that’s another issue.) All of the coworkers that I’ve known have seen me at meals over the years (at work) and have seen me dressed identically to attend Mass. Isn’t this a case of “to each his own?” I couldn’t recall what any ten people wore at the last Mass I attended. Probably not even what five people wore. I’m certain that my fellow parishoners pay as little attention to my clothes.
 
St. Vincent de Paul also founded a number of communities, still alive and well today. Knowing that his Sisters would be out among the poor and very much in the world, he gave them “for your veil, holy modesty.” Yes, of course they wore head coverings, true to the directives of the day (400 years ago in France) but he insisted they NOT swath themselves in reams of material that would make them appear to be like other women (nuns and laity) of the time. His insistence rather was that they clothe themselves in VIRTUE.(defined here and it mentions modesty in all things newadvent.org/cathen/15472a.htm) How appropriate. How wise. How good!
 
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KathleenElsie:
Lovely link, thank you, and I’ve saved it. While you were providing the link for me, I was looking into the history of your community and was delighted to find that Catherine Laboure is regarded as a “favorite” sint by you and your Sisters. Again, lovely. She is, of course, one of the very dearest Vincentian Saints too.
 
On the contrary, “offensive” is often used to describe a subjective judgment, and I was advising piouswoman not to appear overly offensive to others, lest they deliver her to the moderators. Of course, if it is a tradeoff between being offensive and failing to proclaim the truth, then my advice may not hold. Such is the nature of courage.

Often, the truth will sound offensive to those who do not believe in it. The Church is a sign of contradiction in the modern world.
Thank you. Your posts are wise, and truthful.
 
There are those that will argue, and rightfully so, that the error filled new Code of Canon Law, should never of replaced the 1917 Code of Canon Law to begin with.
Guess I might as well state the obvious.

The Holy Father (Rome) did indeed approve the newest Code of Canon Law. It is no stretch of the imagination to suggest that those who imagine themselves free to reject “the error-filled new Code of Canon Law” are likely imagining also that they are holier than Rome.

There is really no such (approved) thing as “rightfully” arguing against the grace-filled work and decision of the Holy Father.
 
How about this?

I am most comfortable in shorts and tee shirts. This is what is comfort for me and what I prefer. But when in God’s house my comfort and desire is not my first priority. It is what is modest, clean and respectful to the situation.

A FORMAL MEAL WITH MY LORD AND SAVIOR is worth the time and effort to dress like I respect the people I am eating with.

If I was dressing to impress others I would shop at the Mall fro my skirts, dresses and blouses. I shop the thrift stores and though I look nice no one can ever say I dress flashy.
Sorry, but if you think the Holy Mass is a “meal” you are poorly catechized.
 
Sorry, but if you think the Holy Mass is a “meal” you are poorly catechized.
She was just trying to make a point about her priorities in dressing for mass. Technically, the mass is a Sacrifice, memorial, liturgy and the Lord’s Supper.
 
On the contrary, “offensive” is often used to describe a subjective judgment, and I was advising piouswoman not to appear overly offensive to others, lest they deliver her to the moderators. Of course, if it is a tradeoff between being offensive and failing to proclaim the truth, then my advice may not hold. Such is the nature of courage.

Often, the truth will sound offensive to those who do not believe in it. The Church is a sign of contradiction in the modern world.
I’m with you and piouswoman on this, too. I believe the tendency to fall back on the “God sees my interior disposition” is often an excuse to be lazy with one’s exterior disposition. And I think the exterior disposition is very important. We are to present ourselves to God, especially in His House, in our best possible outward appearance out of respect for Him, for we would certainly do so for exalted humans. It has been put forward here several times that one would put on his/her finest to visit a president or king, or more likely a pop star, but that seems to fly over the heads of some.
 
Guess I might as well state the obvious.

The Holy Father (Rome) did indeed approve the newest Code of Canon Law. It is no stretch of the imagination to suggest that those who imagine themselves free to reject “the error-filled new Code of Canon Law” are likely imagining also that they are holier than Rome.

There is really no such (approved) thing as “rightfully” arguing against the grace-filled work and decision of the Holy Father.
The new code of canon law is not entirely in conformity with what has always and everywhere been taught by all Catholics. If laws do not express Catholic doctrine, or express something contrary to it (ecumenism for example), then for serious reasons of Faith we may and should question and refuse them.

Please refrain from using uncharitable phrases such as “holier than Rome” when referring to those who refuse to be spoon fed error and novelty.
 
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