Colonization for resources is Evil

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PJH_74 said:
So as for what Europeans “brought” and “few” abuses included things such as slavery or virtual slavery.
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Slavery existed in Africa before Europeans got there. Slaves brought to the New World were enslaved by Africans.
 
I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure Christian Europeans were pretty instrumental in getting the slave trade outlawed and that British ships enforced it on the seas. Maybe not cuz racism and stuff though.
 
The British did enforce this on the seas. The British, French and US helped stop the White slave trade in Europe. For centuries the Barbary Pirates had stolen and enslaved people from the costaline of Europe. In fact Frances attack and occupation of Northern Africa is part of stopping the pirates and their slave trade.
 
exnihilo said:
Slavery existed in Africa before Europeans got there. Slaves brought to the New World were enslaved by Africans.
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Whatever they did or did not do, they’re money slavery made it very profitable.
 
Well yeah no one does anything that doesn’t turn a profit.
 
Rhodesians never die!

I do regret that I will never get the chance to grab an FN Fal, don my boonie hat and shorts, and go on patrol for looking for communists.
 
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Was the Catholic Church not complicit in much of the colonization by European powers including in North America?
 
And what about the amount of people that got displaced from their homes? What about those who lost limbs so those colonizers could get their precious stones?

Huh?
 
Human error will always be around. It’s fine to condemn the bad but you shouldn’t ignore the good.
 
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Arkansan:
There were some cases where abuses occurred, but on the whole, colonization was a good deal for Africa. The colonial powers took natural resources that they weren’t using anyway, and in exchange established law and order, education, hospitals, etc.

On the whole Africa has regressed since decolonization, though they are still better off than the pre-colonial era.
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So I come and take what you “weren’t using anyway” and bring you some stuff you didn’t want anyway? I believe the American Revolution started with such complaints. So as for what Europeans “brought” and “few” abuses included things such as slavery or virtual slavery. Disease, land grabs for Europeans to colonize, puppet governments, forcing traditionally antagonistic groups into “countries” that suited the west’s needs, and above all a high degree of racism. Read up on the Belgian Congo. The unstable governments you speak of were supported in many cases by outside interests,the cold war being a major one. So, should be no surprise that undermining the democratic institution has resulted in much of the current situations. I’ve been to Africa myself many times, yes there are indeed somethings left over that are nice, but the ways they were obtained are amoral at best.
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It’s not just a matter of it being unused, but unowned. Most of Africa had no government, much less an established system of rights to natural resources.
Churchman25 said:
Also it is true some good did come out of colonization but it is far outweighed by the bad. Lots of countries in Africa are in poverty because of colonization.
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That’s why Africa was so well off before colonization, right?
 
Before colonization alot of African kingdoms had very advanced social hierarchies.
 
Arkansan said:
It’s not just a matter of it being unused, but unowned. Most of Africa had no government, much less an established system of rights to natural resources.
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Yeah…a good portion of Africa did have some for of government, a number proceeding the establishment of any real government within Europe. The Ethiopians had a well established culture and was Christian long before Europe. There’s the Egyptians of course and also the Nubians. The were nations such as Benin in present day Nigeria that resisted colonization later than any other nation. You are also ruling out some powerful tribes. The “established system of rights to natural resources” makes the assumption that the European view on property is the only one. People well knew who controlled what without survey lines and addresses.
 
JanSobieskiIII said:
No, he’s right.

Rhodesia was the bread basket of Southern Africa, fed half the continent and had the highest education rates.

Now… Zimbabwe is not that
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Yes the southern States were very productive before the war too. Also there was little to match the productivity of the Third Reich when they were able to use slave labour. To say nothing of the Pharaohs…
 
Your comparison of Rhodesia to that just proves how little you know of the country.
 
The Catholic Church came with the colonists but they were interested - because they had to be according to Gospel - in evangelization. Their true motivation was not the material gain even if they gained. Yes, I would bow my hand to the flames for what I said, like Socrates did.
 
More on Africa as a whole, european powers that came in did teach alot of the places about law, and,english which is good, but as a people they were suppresesed by these european powers because they were considered inferior.

An example of colonization gone right is Austrailia were most people in the country are of british decent but the aboriginees that inhabited the land have been for the most part decimated at one time. there is now a population that is about 600 plus thousand on the continent
 
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