Comedian Michelle Wolf sparks fury, debate with roast at correspondents' dinner

[Luke6_37]

Luke6_37:

George Bush started an unjust war in 2003

That is an opinion and one heck of a jump. Sorry, but I don’t jump that far.

Me & JPII think differently.

Vatican Strongly Opposes Iraq War

Pope John Paul II and top Vatican officials are unleashing a barrage of condemnations of a possible U.

www.foxnews.com

This is interesting too. Caught in the spin cycle perhaps?

https://www.mediamatters.org/resear...tives-distort-papal-legacy-on-iraq-war/132999

 

[pnewton]

Me & JPII think differently.

He is not posting here. How do you know how far he would jump off topic? I think he would do a better job of staying on topic. I am not going to jump over to just war doctrine and Iraq. That thread is too far afield for me and I fail to grasp the relevance.

 

[Luke6_37]

Luke6_37:

Me & JPII think differently.

He is not posting here. How do you know how far he would jump off topic? I think he would do a better job of staying on topic. I am not going to jump over to just war doctrine and Iraq. That thread is too far afield for me and I fail to grasp the relevance.

You were saying that Michelle Wolf may suffer the same fate as to the Dixie Chicks for offending people’s political sensibilities.

But the Dixie Chicks were right. So what does that mean for Michelle Wolf or any celebrity who has a platform and uses it to speak out against lies & injustice? What good is fame if you can’t use it to speak the truth?

There is a historical lesson in what happened to the Dixie Chicks that doesn’t make their fans look so good.

 

[Theo520]

No, the Dixie chicks were wrong in that they showed stupidity in alienating their primary audience. Nothing wrong with that but you should then accecpt the business impact to your popularity with that audience.

I fault the White House Correspondents Dinner management, not the comedian. They are responsible for the tone and content at their ‘bi-partisan’ dinner. Wolf didn’t switch out her content…

 

[Luke6_37]

No, the Dixie chicks were wrong in that they showed stupidity in alienating their primary audience. Nothing wrong with that but you should then accecpt the business impact to your popularity with that audience.

Same thing happened to Jesus when he preached the Bread of Life discourse - would you say he was wrong too? I blame the audience for being fools, not the messenger for speaking the truth.

I fault the White House Correspondents Dinner management, not the comedian. They are responsible for the tone and content at their ‘bi-partisan’ dinner. Wolf didn’t switch out her content…

The White House has the option of putting anyone they want up on the podium to give back as good as they get. Comedians at the dinner have always roasted the administration. That is how the game is played - free speech is celebrated by allowing public insults of the president to go forward uninhibited.

Trump supporters just need to face the fact that, unlike all previous POTUS, Donald Trump is a snowflake.

 

[Theo520]

Same thing happened to Jesus when he preached the Bread of Life discourse - would you say he was wrong too? I blame the audience for being fools, not the messenger for speaking the truth.

That you even suggest this analogy is deeply troubling.

The White House has the option of putting anyone they want up on the podium to give back as good as they get. Comedians at the dinner have always roasted the administration. That is how the game is played - free speech is celebrated by allowing public insults of the president to go forward uninhibited.

Trump supporters just need to face the fact that, unlike all previous POTUS, Donald Trump is a snowflake.

The comedian was crude and nothing like past presenters, nobody was prepared for her ad hominem attacks and tone. Again you surprise me, also by your implicit defense of the organizers who have admitted their error.

 

[dvdjs]

nothing like past presenters

Past presenters like Colbert and Myers disagree, and one can infer disagreement on that point also from reviews of their performances - including Trump’s own remarks.

 

[Theo520]

Nope, that they issued an apology and reputable members like The Hill withdrew is clear indication this was worse. Again, I don’t blame her, the dinner organizers are at fault.

 

[dvdjs]

Nope, that they issued an apology and reputable members like The Hill withdrew is clear indication this was worse

No that is just an indication that there is great intentionality in this WH and its water carriers about reacting negatively to the non-compliant press, and that under this constant barrage, the press is beginning to be cowed.

 

[Theo520]

@dvdjs
Wow, your bias really has got you!
The Hill is not a Trump water carrier
The Press is not cowed by Trump

Maybe you should read the resignation letter from the Hill, stop imagining their motive.

 

[dvdjs]

Maybe you should read the resignation letter from the Hill,

I have. Even though I have not discussed that publication or its motivations explicitly.
You might like to look at other talks, like Myers’s or Colbert’s, and their reviews, and think about this year’s talk in light of the actual precedents.

 

[Theo520]

I only mentioned The Hill and you responded saying they were ‘water carriers’
Man up, if you recognize your errorl

 

[dvdjs]

I only mentioned The Hill

You mentioned “reputable members” and gave the Hill as an example.
I also use plural water carriers.

Yada yada reading comprehension.

 

[Theo520]

So you’ve got nothing to support what you claimed
Color me shocked, that you imagined these ‘water carriers’

 

[dvdjs]

So you’ve got nothing to support what you claimed

Oh, is that what your post was intended to elicit?
It read like a drive by insult followed by a non sequitur.

There has been a great deal of discussion in the media of the reaction M Wolf’s speech, including comparisons to previous speeches. Reactions that focus on the surprising level of vulgarity, have a legitimate point. Reactions that are based on narratives that diverge from the facts suggest that those folk - cowed or predisposed water carriers - are playing Trump’s game.