Commentary: "Coronavirus shows again why 'Medicare for all' is a bad idea"

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Its like when obama gave away free phones to the poor. There were lines around the block. News stations (local, not fox) askes the people in line if they knew who were paying for the phones. They screamed Obama was lol.

Lol liberals always want to give away things for free. Always want to give away other peoples money. Have no clue about economics.

Its same thing with immigration. Scream let them in. Just not thier neighborhood. Same local reporters in seattlw and san fran went and interviewed people on street. Every one of em was for accepting them all. Not one of them was willing to open their home to them.

Liberals are fine with anything long as it costs them nothing
 
Or when San Francisco raised taxes in areas with mostly black residents. Just so happened to force them out of the city. I’m sure that was entirely coincidental.
 
Okay.

And a good way to prevent everybody to own a home in the ciy. Even their own children.

High costs of housing is never a good calculation at long term. It impact all quality of life, quality of family life, fertility rates, and at the end the economy…
 
BenjaminJ said:
What that will do is bankrupt the US. Make people wait up to a year for simple surgery, and let the government pick and choose who lives and dies. Kinda like whats happening in Italy. If ya tell me that wouldnt happen here than your an idiot.
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The wait times are grossly exaggerated and cherry picked and rarely applies to necessary surgeries or situations where people are in pain. And I think you’d have to be blind to not see that almost all private insurance plans in the USA have moved to “managed care” models in which medical necessity is evaluated before care is approved. The days of the old indemnity plans are gone. Even the old, hated HMOs were better than most of today’s plans in terms of approvals and member responsibility.

As for “bankrupting the country,” that’s nonsense. The USA would pay less on health insurance and health care with a single payer model than it currently does. The USA pays more per person AND as a percentage of GDP than most other developed nations, and it’s not because we cover more. And we still have worse outcomes as far as the overall health of the population.
 
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Wesrock said:
As for “bankrupting the country,” that’s nonsense. The USA would pay less on health insurance and health care with a single payer model than it currently does. The USA pays more per person AND as a percentage of GDP than most other developed nations, and it’s not because we cover more. And we still have worse outcomes as far as the overall health of the population.
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I agree. When I see what people without inassurance pay for delivey for eg, that’s horrible compared to others countries. The State alone would never accepted to pay that costs.
 
BenjaminJ said:
Its like when obama gave away free phones to the poor. There were lines around the block. News stations (local, not fox) askes the people in line if they knew who were paying for the phones. They screamed Obama was lol.

Lol liberals always want to give away things for free. Always want to give away other peoples money. Have no clue about economics.
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Most goods are best distributed by a free market. But not all. There are some services we want to be universally available like roads, security (police), military, education. Given the high cost and risk associated with modern medicine, healthcare (if we want it to be universally accessible) is better distributed/paid publicly than privately. Leave it to the market to find the most economically efficient solution (supply = demand) and a large number of people will not have it.
 
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Anicette said:
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Wesrock:
As for “bankrupting the country,” that’s nonsense. The USA would pay less on health insurance and health care with a single payer model than it currently does. The USA pays more per person AND as a percentage of GDP than most other developed nations, and it’s not because we cover more. And we still have worse outcomes as far as the overall health of the population.
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I agree. When I see what people without inassurance pay for delivey for eg, that’s horrible compared to others countries. The State alone would never accepted to pay that costs.
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My wife has her employer’s best health plan for her pay grade and we had $7,000 in costs out of our own pocket we paid for our daughter’s delivery. That’s $7,000 in what we paid after premiums just to have the insurance and not counting what the insurance paid.
 
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That’s hard to reconcile with the fact that it’s government involvement that made health care an artificially scarce commodity.
 
StudentMI said:
That’s hard to reconcile with the fact that it’s government involvement that made health care an artificially scarce commodity.
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If you’re talking about requiring doctor’s to be licensed and hospitals needing to meet certain cleanliness criteria… sure. Pretty sure I’d never want it otherwise. Other than that, hospitals are largely driving up costs. If the government got out of the way we’d have dirty hospitals and families and older people who can’t afford more than catastrophic insurance coverage.
 
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Thata a lie. My father has 16 bothers and sisters, not to mention aunts and uncles. All from manatoulin islands. Mostly little Current. They all have horror stories on wait times using Canadian health system.
 
In other words, you’re not going to consider it because you disagree with the stand of who wrote it. Wonderful. So if you post an article from, say, CNN I’m allowed to discount it because they’ve criticised conservatives?
 
BenjaminJ said:
Thata a lie. My father has 16 bothers and sisters, not to mention aunts and uncles. All from manatoulin islands. Mostly little Current. They all have horror stories on wait times using Canadian health system.
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I’d be interested in hearing it. Suffice it to say, though, Canadian citizens express higher and mostly positive satisfaction rates with their healthcare system (and their country pays a smaller percentage of GDP towards it, the USA pays a higher percentage of GDP than any other nation in the world) than Americans do with ours.
 
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BenjaminJ said:
Yep it exists. Done wonders for italy ans Venezuela. Or all those Canadians that come to US for operations cause theres a 6 month waiting list in canada for even minor surgery. Youre clueless
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Don’t Americans return the favour by going to Canada for cheaper pharmaceuticals? And I wonder how many people need medications as opposed to surgeries?
 
They actually go to Mexico or online these days. No argument theres a problem there. Big difference between needing to wait 6 months for heart surgery compared to having to pay too much for the meds afterwards
 
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