Islam does not have a formal hierarchy or clergy. Leaders are informal, and gain influence through study to become a scholar of Islamic law, called sharia. Anyone with the intelligence and will can become an Islamic scholar. During Midday Mosque services on Fridays, the congregation will choose a well educated person to lead the service, known as an imam (one who leads)
When you claimed that the Church fathers using a verse has nothing to do with the Mass which is a Liturgy, is why I ask you. What is it that you’ve learned it to be? Is it just mere words to make a point? Or something much deeper?
No Servant…you said “are you guys in a secret cult” What’s the “cult” you’re referring to? Is it because Martin and I are Christian …and I said if you followed Jesus and Scripture you’d know. I’ve given you the answer to your question…and its in Scripture if you choose to look for it and believe what Jesus saysNo
I said “you guys”
Why will you not share your understanding of the scripture when asked Jimmy?
It seems silly…
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That is why I would want to know Islam’s teaching on God, on love.
That is a prayer, asking God to grant all of us love. Good. Therefore I would take it as far as love is concerned, one needs to ask God to grant it on us. So is this Islam’s teaching on love, no?
Hi Reuben,
Indeed it is a prayer.
Yes, meaning you and Martin, since he said “Exactly” to your posts. You were joining ranks in this plan of telling me that I don’t follow scripture, but refusing to say how …
It is called the “Martin and Jimmy cult against telling Servant19 where he is being unscriptural”
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And I asked you to please help me, as an act of charity, towards where in scripture it tells me who the other “folds” are that Jesus was referring to?
Actually we are two different people individuals. I would suggest you consider charity to us and give us the benefit of the doubt because I trust he’s a practicing Catholic as I am. There is no conspiracy here. Don’t accuse like this Servant.
? :Hmmm:It is called the “Martin and Jimmy cult against telling Servant19 where he is being unscriptural”
Explain this statement. Can you clarify?Otherwise I wouldn’t be posting to Reuben and Jeffrey with such high regard in this thread, and so many other Catholics here at CAF
How do you not understand this “other fold”. You SHOULD know the answer by following the Scripture in order to the point when Jesus says it.
Ok. A good try. I agree with the 99 attributes of Allah.Hi Reuben,
If you look at the nature of God in Islam, the primary nature that is emphasized is the first sentence in each and every Surih of the Quran. The nature of God is termed the “names” or “attributes” of God
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Islam
The first name of God listed is Ar-Rahman meaning “The Exceedingly Compassionate, The Exceedingly Beneficent, The Exceedingly Gracious (to all of humanity and all creatures)”
If you are looking specifically for a loving God (using the word LOVE) then name number 47 (listed in that link, in no particular order) is The Loving.
Allah’s nature embraces all these attributes in that link
Servant19 said:]
Indeed it is a prayer.
The quotes I provided above state that it is to be the prayer of all Muslims to wish God would grant that love onto all Muslims.
You, yourself noted this, when you said “From how I see it, 60:7 says that Allah may grant love and friendship (I am depending on your given translation) between a person and his enemy so that there will be forgiveness.”
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Allah manifests His love through His mercy, His justice and His forgiveness.
What is elitist? Asking God to bestow love in your heart so that you may love your enemies?
Lighten up sunshine, it was a joke hinting that you and Jimmy should show more charity towards those asking sincere questions.
The other folds Jesus refers to are not Muslims. Therefore you don’t know.Lighten up sunshine, it was a joke hinting that you and Jimmy should show more charity towards those asking sincere questions.
The “LOL” I put in my post should have been sufficient…
But either way, I shared the verse from the Bible because of the lack of charity shown towards Muslims (who are from another fold) in this thread. Indicating that the love of Allah is not as profound as the love of Jesus is uncharitable and frankly, quite childish.
I do understand what the verse means but I was told that my understanding was incorrect.
If no-one wishes to correct me then I will simply spread this “incorrect” interpretation as far and wide as I can.
Please advise when you have an answer as to which “other folds” Jesus is referring to?
And also why their Beloved is often referred to as a “man in sheeps clothing by underneath is a ravenous wolf”?
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The Gentiles
Always willing to learn Martin, but I do not think Servant is wrong, he has a different Frame of reference than you are using.
He’s using the SAME words Jesus said. There is no such thing as different frame of reference when exegesis is used.
Yes please. Teach me so that I cannot question the truth that you utter.
