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Owning a gun is a human right and supported by Church teaching in the highest order.
 
No doubt, many believe gun liberty is ordained by God himself. This is foolishness. Jesus loves the little children. Jesus does not love gun liberty more than schoolchildren, as many Americans do. It is a curse upon us, much like original sin, as I earlier wrote.
 
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SuperLuigi said:
in the case of Americans, a main goal is to just impress their foreign “friends”
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Ah, chalking it up to “virtue-signaling” again. Do you seriously think American citizens care so much about foreign relations? Those who argue for gun control are more concerned about what is going on in their own neighborhoods and schools.
 
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In both cases, the solution is to demystify the subject. The notions that guns are for crime and that alcohol is for drunkenness are both pernicious and should be combated. People should generally have their first experience with both under parental supervision.
 
Arkansan said:
In both cases, the solution is to demystify the subject. The notions that guns are for crime and that alcohol is for drunkenness are both pernicious and should be combated. People should generally have their first experience with both under parental supervision.
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In the neighborhood where I teach, some children definitely get their first experiences with these things (and more) with their parents – who are gang members and drug dealers, or drug addicts, or armed criminals…
 
I was obviously not speaking about parents getting their kids into crime.
 
RandomAlias said:
there will always be a saintly few who can live well, in joy and peace, without alcohol, tobacco, and guns.
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I don’t believe there’s any Church teaching to support your opinion. Alcohol, tobacco, and guns aren’t inherently evil. ANYTHING can be misused.
 
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I’d probably buy a truck and some diesel and fertilizer if I really wanted to be effective.
 
I went full libertarian for awhile, then realized it’s presupposed on falsehoods and several heresies. I don’t think good Catholics can be true libertarians anymore than they can be true socialists.
 
The changes I would like to see:

Improved background checks and coordination between local, state and federal agencies.

Full fledged ban of bumpstocks and similar devices.

Restrictions placed on the ownership of AR-15 rifles.

Oh, and I don’t hate the AR-15. I’m a US Military Veteran who got a marksmanship award on the M-16 - the military version of the AR-15. I just think that the proliferation of the AR-15 among the citizenry, and the fact that it’s become the preferred weapon of mass shooters, warrants restricting its availability to the general public.
 
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Alcohol, tobacco, and guns, are not evil in and of themselves.

Jesus didn’t turn water into Welch’s grape juice.
 
There doesn’t have to be consistent logical form within the law on all subjects, so there’s no real obligation to answer the question, but handguns serve a more specific function than a bottle of wine or liquor.

People have no God-given right to beer or guns or a TV or children or a spouse, or any number of other things. So as far as the Church goes, nation-states and people must use prudence to enact laws that will work towards the common good. Prohibition is widely regarded as untenable because alcohol has thousands of years of precedent within society, whereas many believe removing handguns is a much more realistic goal. That’s really all there is to it.

Logical consistency is unnecessary, because each subject is unique and not entirely identical to another.
 
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SuperLuigi said:
People who argue for gun control are ill-informed on the issue and in the case of Americans, a main goal is to just impress their foreign “friends” who enjoy the benefits of living under the shadow of the United States nuclear navy.
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There is little or no connection between the US navy and domestic violence.
 
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You can’t get it into some places. Like the halls of a school.
 
McVeigh didn’t didn’t get the truck inside of the Murrah building.
 
That I won’t dispute. They’re also less effective, which was my point.
 
Entwhistler said:
What’s the difference between Methodists, Jews, and Catholics? Jews and Catholics greet each other in the liquor store.

God bless our Methodist brothers and sisters!
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I was a Methodist before converting. Methodists drink alcohol. Where did you get the impression that Methodists are not allowed to drink.
 
That’s were the end to draconian almost Muslim rules on alcohol need to end. Why does the US have the oldest legal drinking age in the world?
 
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