Communist China orders Christians to replace crosses and images of Jesus Christ with portraits of communist leaders

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A textbook example of the “no true Scotsman” fallacy.
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They can call themselves what they want, but they know nothing of Marx or Marxism, or communism. Any view that asserts racial identity as a political subject in place of class is not Marxist. “Intersectionality” is not Marxist.
 
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Regular_Atheist said:
A textbook example of the “no true Scotsman” fallacy.
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“What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. … Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man—and turns them into commodities. … The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange. … The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man of money in general.”
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“It is now completely clear to me that It is now completely clear to me that he [ Ferdinand Lassalle ] as is proved by his cranial formation and his hair, descends from the Negroes who had joined Moses’ exodus from Egypt, assuming that his mother or grandmother on the paternal side had not interbred with a n—–. Now this union of Judaism and Germanism with a basic Negro substance must produce a peculiar product.
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Marx was a despicable racist.

Walter E. Williams
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You should read the text that the first passage is from. It’s an incredibly good piece and that passage misrepresents it. Marx is commenting on the relation of the state, civil society and the individual citizen, and affirming the possibility of a universal humanity, as opposed to liberal democracy which reinforces and affirms social division in society.
 
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You should read the text that the first passage is from. It’s an incredibly good piece and that passage misrepresents it. Marx is commenting on the relation of the state, civil society and the individual citizen, and affirming the possibility of a universal humanity, as opposed to liberal democracy which reinforces and affirms social division in society.
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Defend him as you wish. In my view, he is indefensible. His bigotry is just the tip of the iceberg.
 
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Why do folks call China “communist China”?

Does it need a hyphenated name.
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Do you think it inaccurate? Do they deny communism?
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And if it’s “accurate” why do it? Why does China get a hyphenated name?
 
In some respects the BLM hijacking by a few Marxists is similar to what happened in the Vietnam war protests. It started from the bottom up…people angry about continuing involvement in the war. As the movements (plural) spread, a group of organizers finagled their way into the various movements…to the delight of Nixon who could then attack these “leaders”…and thus the entire movement as communist.

This appears to be what happened to BLM. A bottom up grass roots movement being relabeled as Marxist when certain “leaders” hijacked the movement for their own politics. Neither movements were Marxist from the start and weren’t Marxist later. They just have a group that pretends to represent all of them. The activists themselves aren’t communist or Marxist. They are good citizens fighting a problem. Please stop labeling the whole movement just because a political entity has wriggled its way into it.
 
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Fighting what problem?
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The disparity between how police approach a black suspect versus a white one. How they are treated differently in everything from a traffic pullover to entering their homes.

We’re you unaware of this?
 
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Fighting what problem?
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The disparity between how police approach a black suspect versus a white one. How they are treated differently in everything from a traffic pullover to entering their homes.

We’re you unaware of this?
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Even leftist activist Washington Post admitted that only 25 unarmed whites, and 15 unarmed blacks were killed by police in 2019. And, most of these killed were attacking police just prior to being killed.
 
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Even leftist activist Washington Post admitted that only 25 unarmed whites, and 15 unarmed blacks were killed by police in 2019. And, most of these killed were attacking police just prior to being killed.
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But that’s not the only topic they are bringing to our attention. Did you know that when a policeman pulls over a white person in a traffic stop they almost never make the person get out of the car and place their hands on the hood. Did you know that officers almost always do this with blacks? The differences in how the police interact with whites versus blacks is what they are bringing attention to. The lack of respect shown. The level of danger present in every interaction between officers and blacks. It’s not just about shooting them…it’s about how they are treated differently whether they are shot or not.
 
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The disparity between how police approach a black suspect versus a white one.
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No. I refuse to accept that. It is overly broad (“the police”) and you ONLY reduce this down to the color of people’s skin.
 
I’m going off of what blacks have said and reports from studies looking into the interactions of officers and minorities. I haven’t read anything that reports these discrepancies of treatment between officers and Hispanics or Asians but I’ve seen several on black experiences.

This is also what I have heard protesters talking about. I’m not comfortable if this is an ongoing and documented treatment. If the experiences of so many black citizens are wrong, then I believe they would like to know that, too. Is the black experience of “driving while black” not true? How did that perception arise, then?
 
PattyIt . . . .
If the experiences of so many black citizens are wrong,
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I didn’t say they were wrong (or right).

I just said I think your conclusion against police was overly broad.

I also think reducing this down to the color of people’s skin is superficial.

It is the same error the White Supremicists use when they carp about black on black crime being reduced down to the blacks fault because of SOME black perpetrators.

(Just like it is overly broad reducing Derek Chauvin’s actions and others like him to “police”.)

I just think it is an overstatement that’s all.

And the media does everything they can to magnify this.

(We don’t even know if what Derek Chauvin did to George Floyd was racially motivated yet or not. He has a history of being an overly brutal cop and leftist Minneapolis allowed him to continue despite about fifteen complaints against him and his brutality! This may involve other races too for example.)
 
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"Communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion, and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all past historical experience.”
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm
If we don’t defeat communism and socialism every chance we get in the United States, we in America will eventually face the same type of thing.
 
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