Comparing modesty for guys and girls

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I was out for a walk with my dog in the summer and a neighbor flagged me down to chat at me. He was shirtless, wearing shorts. He was an older man with lots of hair. I felt like I didn’t know where to look. lol I guess for me it was like a man just got out of the shower and wearing a towel, on his way to find fresh clothes and somehow there I was standing there. It was way more skin than I want to see on anyone.
 
There should be no confusion about this.

‘We recall that a dress cannot be called decent which is cut deeper than two fingers breadth under the pit of the throat, which does not cover the arms at least to the elbows, and scarcely reaches a bit beyond the knee. Furthermore, dresses of transparent material are improper. Let parents keep their daughters away from public gymnastic games and contests; but, if their daughters are compelled to attend such exhibitions, let them see to it that they are fully and modestly dressed. Let them never permit their daughters to don immodest garb.’

The Sacred Congregation of the Council (by the mandate of Pope Pius XI), January 12, 1930 A.D.
 
Maybe some of this has to do with prurient interest. I wouldn’t automatically say that the Japanese topless pearl diving women are immodest.
 
via.crucis said:
Pope Pius XII set modesty standards for all time. He himself said it was to be held even if fashions change. Using these standards would forbid wearing a bikini.
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Is that the much quoted document that can be found all over the web, but not from the Vatican site?
 
gama232 said:
There should be no confusion about this.

‘We recall that a dress cannot be called decent which is cut deeper than two fingers breadth under the pit of the throat, which does not cover the arms at least to the elbows, and scarcely reaches a bit beyond the knee.
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I think there is quite some doubt as to whether the pope actually wrote that. And if he did, if it is anything more than personal opinion.
 
Modesty standards vary by time and place. This is acknowledged in the Catechism. What you describe would be scandalous in first century Israel… a woman showing her hair? She must be a harlot! Even the “radical traditionalist” standards of today was the “harlot” standard of the first century. It is simply not possible to declare that the norms of one particular culture and era constitute eternal divine law.
 
Dr. Brian McCall had a great article about this years ago but it’s not online. I remember it because it had a picture of Cary Grant in suit & tie.
 
Don’t you miss the days when covering up was an act of modesty? Now… it’s more of an act of mercy! 😯
 
Same as any thread. Discussion. Refuting illogical or offensive comments.

My way of dressing is to look classic and timeless. It has nothing to do with appearing demure, or feminine or any other look. I look for certain details that look well on me. Colors, fabrics.
 
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Well what you wrote in that post just doesn’t seem to go with the topic of the discussion … which is modesty … none of that was modest.
 
That is an honest and genuine concern if people were trying to promote standards of modesty without proving they were a thing in the first place, but it is provable.

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Sacra Propediem (Pope Benedict XV)

http://www.vatican.va/content/bened...s/hf_ben-xv_enc_06011921_sacra-propediem.html

Comentarium Pro Religiosis (vol. 9, 1928, pp. 414-415) includes the call for a crusade against immodest fashions by Pope Pius XI

Bishop Douville of Quebec in a pastoral letter quotes the modesty standards set by the Pope’s Cardinal Vicar.

Phillipine Bishops accepted this Roman standard for modesty and issued it in their Dioceses.

On December 6, 1959 His Eminence Rufino Cardinal Santos, Archbishop of Manila wrote a pastoral letter approving of the Phillipine Bishops’ work in doing this and he listed the standards set by the Pope in his letter.

Father Bernard A. Kunkel, with ecclesiastical approval, made a modesty crusade and got the apostolic blessing of Pope Pius XII. All who further the work of the modesty crusade are given the apostolic blessing also.

If all these people quote the modesty standards from the Vicar of the Pope, and these people are literally Bishops and other clergy, then why would it be false?

Padre Pio also held these standards and would refuse to hear confession from a woman wearing immodest clothing.

Pope Pius XII Address to the Latin Union of High Fashion on November 8, 1957:

“The most insidious of sophisms, which are usually repeated to justify immodesty, seems to be the same everywhere. One of these resurrects the ancient saying ‘let there be no argument about things we are accustomed to’, in order to brand as old fashioned the rebellion of honest people against fashions which are too bold …” This fallacy consists in the implied notion that sin stops being sin as soon as one gets used to it. Imagine how many kinds of sin could be whitewashed in this way! The fact is that man can, so to speak, ‘get used to’ just about any sinful practice that might be mentioned—promiscuity, fraud, cheating, lying, etc.—but that does not make it any less offensive to God or less deservIng of divine punishment. It" is a common thing for such a one to say. though actually in self-condemnation, “It doesn’t bother me at all… I see nothing wrong in it…”

He also says in this address:

“There always exists an absolute norm to be preserved, no matter how broad and changeable the relative morals of styles may be … Style may never give a proximate occasion of sin, and clothing must be a shield against disordered sensuality.”
 
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I work in high luxury for over 20years…its expected…but always a midi
Maybe demure means different to you.
 
High luxury and modesty don’t seem to go hand in hand as far as I can see.
 
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