Concept of god in Christianity?

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Thanks to all chritians,
I have got my answer the same way which i have got always.
My only point was to get up pick up bible and Quran and compare them to see what is the truth but as usual treat and misstreat.
but any one wants to continue discussion he is wellcome, my email is mortaza.reca@gmail.com
A competation has always one winner not two

Thanks for the gang up and nice behevior towards me
 
If you want a different answer, I’d change your approach. Attacking someone’s holy book for being scientifically inaccurate is hardly a good way to start a friendly discussion. That said, there are also some veteran members who could also take a lesson on charitable discussion. Anyway, I’d like to cordially welcome you to CAF and I hope you stay and give this discussion another chance. I assure you that if you approach this discussion charitably and with an open mind, that others here will do the same
 
What kind of questions do you have?
I saw one post that mentioned the 3 pre-requisits for a sin to be mortal, but on other threads, I have seen things like; “If it is grave enough matter, it is always mortal and needs to be confessed”, and a few other variations.
I understand we are to put our trust in Jesus, yet, I also understand that we are to study and learn what the Church teaches.
Sins grave and venial are vague. Again, I understand that homosexuality, for instance, is a sin, but if I didn’t know any better, I would be tempted to follow some wayward Catholics who think it is okay. (would be very tempting as I love someone who is gay and by condoning it I could probably be a part of his life again, at least on this earth)
Also, we are to follow “just laws”, who decides which laws are just, and which aren’t? There is nothing said about this one, but, if a person is receiving housing assistance, they are not legally permitted to move someone in with them unless the person is a relative. But suppose they find a friend is homeless? And they allow the person to reside with them until they are back on their feet? If the person receiving the assistance doesn’t report they’re letting another stay with them, it is illegal, if they do report it, they can have their assistance taken away, and then both are on the street. (this is just one example)

I am sincerely trying to learn, I want very much to be a good, strong Catholic, but it is difficult.
And if I went on conscience alone, I definitely would not be a very good Catholic, or something like that, as I didn’t even know what the concept of a “well formed” conscience was until I entered The Church.
Also, I have seen reference to sins, they are to be confessed in terms of how often, when, etc…and if you confess one sin, that necessarily means that you have to confess another (a sin that, in committing, you are actually committing multiple)🤷
One priest told me I was not to confess any sins I had forgotten “from now on”, because I had done a very thorough examination, and did my best to confess all, but later found there were some I had forgotten, and most every thread I have read here and elsewhere, states if one has forgotten a mortal sin, it must be addressed in their next confession. Again 🤷
I don’t have another Priest I can go to, and as a matter of fact I am told that if I do, I am showing signs of Scrupulosity. But I am not, I simply do recall a couple of forgotten/unconfessed sins that I know are mortal, at least in gravity.

Lol, you really opened yourself up with that simple question. I am very tired and simply want to know the truth. I don’t need someone to sugar coat, or be sweet and kind and pc, I just want truth, because to me, that’s what love and compassion are, being honest even at the risk of supposedly “offending” someone.

Thanks for asking, I am glad you did, but hope you don’t have a major headache now from my rant, but I do think it will give you a look at what not just myself, but others who are seeking are contending with as well.

Peace be with you.
 
Perhaps threatening to report it was a bit uncalled for as well. But that doesn’t change the fact that you were a bit less than charitable in your first reply here.

Very true, I was less than charitable. For this I am sorry. But, my discernment was correct, unfortunately.

Happy New Year

Glory be to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

The B-I-B-L-E, that’s the Book for me, I stand upon the Word of God, the B-I-B-L-E
(loved the song since childhood - the Bible since I can remember)
 
Dear razanir,
You are such a nice person to be honest.
Dear brother Quran is in arabic language. My point was that bible is not on its original language exist that’s why one of the guys treated me, any how.
What catchs the attention towards christianity. First as i said to believe in allah. I had discussions with many christiand and they dont believe in allah subhana wa ta alla, the basically information only that i have almost from all of christians
Is that god is three, we humen are sinfull, Jesus peace be up on him was died for humen sins.
Whereas, the bible says that in the upper room when Jesus peace be up on him apears to
Deciples and he ate a peace of boiled fish and honey comb.
According to bible Jesus didn’t fullfill sign of jonah.
And there are thousands of issues that i can discuss on but what is the point, cause here some people trying to make it a battle field.
Islam means more then peace, and by the if some muslims is doing wrong things
I as a muslim am against those people.
For example if a man drives a ferrari over speed limit and the police gets him and gives the penalty to ferrari industry, it wont be logical.
Any ways dear hope i hang hurt your feelings but contact me by my email if you wish to discuss.
 
Dear razanir,
You are such a nice person to be honest.
Dear brother** Quran is in arabic language**. My point was that bible is not on its original language exist that’s why one of the guys treated me, any how.
What catchs the attention towards christianity. First as i said to believe in allah. I had discussions with many christiand and they dont believe in allah subhana wa ta alla, the basically information only that i have almost from all of christians
Is that god is three, we humen are sinfull, Jesus peace be up on him was died for humen sins.
Whereas, the bible says that in the upper room when Jesus peace be up on him apears to
Deciples and he ate a peace of boiled fish and honey comb.
According to bible Jesus didn’t fullfill sign of jonah.
And there are thousands of issues that i can discuss on but what is the point, cause here some people trying to make it a battle field.
Islam means more then peace, and by the if some muslims is doing wrong things
I as a muslim am against those people.
For example if a man drives a ferrari over speed limit and the police gets him and gives the penalty to ferrari industry, it wont be logical.
Any ways dear hope i hang hurt your feelings but contact me by my email if you wish to discuss.
  1. The Quran has been translated. This site has English, Spanish, Chinese, German and French, just to name a few. And remember, “translated” is not synonymous with “wrong.” There can be translations that are horribly off kilter (such as the JWs’ Watchtower Bible), but for the most part, translations are morally neutral.
  2. I’ll try explaining the Trinity with a scientific analogy. Consider water, good ol’ H2O. Ignoring the weird phases of matter like plasmas or Bose-Einstein condensates, it exists in three forms– Solid water (ice), liquid water (water), and gaseous water (water vapor). Similarly, God exists in three forms– God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit– and like with water, all three are God.
  3. There’s a difference between it not being written and it not happening. It’s mentioned in early Church teachings and in the Catechism. Which, by the way, if you haven’t read yet, I’d highly recommend even just looking over to have better discussions with Catholics.
 
=reca;10191885]Hello ever one,
I have some question if some one would like to answer
How do you believe in god, and how does trinity came inside the christianity?
There is no verse in the bible about trinity?
Why bible says day and night was created before creation of sun and moon, and moon has its own light?
I have seen many unscientific portions which i have asked any one got no reply.
Specially about falsification test on Mark
Allow me to try to respond. Space is limited so will be my reponses.

The most evident proof of God: The Universe and man himself1. The Universe, it’s complexity and order and it’s Natural Laws.

Only One palnet out of Billions in the Universe can support the life forms we know of: earth
and the rotation with the Sun and the Moos and there essental role towards life make clear they exist for that precise reason.

Because there HAS to be a First Cause: we choose to call it “Our God.”
  1. Trinity & the Bible
The term “bible” is not in the bible either:)

The Bible is NOT a science book; and is NOT a history book

IT IS a Book of Moral Teachings about God’s desired realationship with His Created humanity, and about what is required to be with God for eternity. It’s lessons are always true; but not always factual:thumbsup:

MANY forms or writting appear in the Bible:
netfiles.uiuc.edu/k-lee7/www/iccf/docs/blitdevice.htm

**Mt. 3:13-17 **"Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him. … But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now; for thus it is fitting for us to fulfil all righteousness.” And when **Jesus **was baptized,[GOD THE SON] he went up immediately from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove,[GOD THE HS] and alighting on him; and lo, a voice from heaven, saying, “This is my beloved Son, [GOD THE FATHER] with whom I am well pleased.”

God the Father:Mt.5:16;45

God the Son: Mt. 14:33

God the HS Mt. 1:18,20

QUESTION 4U WHAT IS THIS FALISIFICATION TEST IN MARK? Tell me; maybe I can respond to it?

MAN HIMSELF IS THE GREATEST EVIDENCE:of God; because man alone can and does emulate God. Thus proving God’s existence.

Earth is the ONLY planet provable to sustain the life forms we know of

On Planet earth MAN and ONLY man can do all of the following:

rationalize
Build complex things [rockets and computers for example]
can know right from wrong
can freely choose to love and or to hate

EACH OF THESE ABSOLUTELY REQUIRE WHAT MAN ALONE HAS

a mind
a intellect
a freewill
& a soul

ALL SPIRITUAL THINGS as is our God in the Trinity [Jesus is BOTH at the same time: True God and True man"

[COLOR=“blue”]Quantify your freewill. What is its’ shape, size, weight and color? can’t be done yet we have one. Thus providing the scientific evidence that they do exist.

The Entire Universe exist for ONLY One reason What other possible reason can there be for its existence:shrug:

The Universe exist ONLY so that man CAN if man chooses to cooperate with His offered Grace is able to know OF god; then one can, by the right use of these gifts, actually learn to Know God.

written about 700 years B4 the birth of Christ: **Isaiah43 Verses 7 **and 21: “every one who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made." AND the people whom I formed for myself that they might declare my praise.”

The truth is available; one must be open to receive it.🙂

God Bless you,

Pat/PJM
 
Dear brother,
Thanks for information, but those verses you are quoting, god knows how many time has been removed from the bible and putten in back. Please go on you tube and type in search
Box Dr. Zakir nail vs. Dr. william campbell - the Quran and the bible
In the light of science.
Please watch it
I am giving u this option because there are many things to say but here is not enough
And one brother said how old is island.
From the creation of the adam there was , is and will be inshahallah island, and essoah will prove it inshahallah in his second coming, and by the way one of brothers said his name is christian and he is catholic lol what does catholic means, what is the meaning of christ and where is it came from, and by the way the bible that you have is not even original its a translated copy from the greek, i know why is wrong where and as per knowledge about Jesus and laws we muslim are more christian then chritians them self
Sir, the Bible has never Changed in the almost 2000 years in the time The Word has been promulgated and taught by the Catholic Church.
A language remains a language no matter how imperfect that language becomes

You are more than welcome to find you’re answers here or from another Catholic person or site.

Catholic means universal : )

Hope Y’all and i helped you sir
God bless You on you’re way
Merry Christmas
 
What about the errors do you mean God makes error. Naozubellah wa astaghferullah
Brother if we accept the all bible is word of god so we are saying that God is unsxientific. Do you accept it? I dont.
If you look at greek it does not say that the word was god it only says the. Word was with god.
A brother asked about falsification test its in mark 16:18 how strange
A christian asks about bible.
Another brother said Quran is translated as well, i know but in any language its translated
The original script is first and then we put the translation.
But the original bible doesn’t exist. Your scholers say not me.
Even the old testament is translated to hebriw from greek.
in one place it says johaching was 8 years when he start rain another place it says he was 188. Which one is right?
 
What about the errors do you mean God makes error. Naozubellah wa astaghferullah
Brother if we accept the all bible is word of god so we are saying that God is unsxientific. Do you accept it? I dont.
If you look at greek it does not say that the word was god it only says the. Word was with god.
A brother asked about falsification test its in mark 16:18 how strange
A christian asks about bible.
Another brother said Quran is translated as well, i know but in any language its translated
The original script is first and then we put the translation.
But the original bible doesn’t exist.
Your scholers say not me.
Even the old testament is translated to hebriw from greek.
in one place it says johaching was 8 years when he start rain another place it says he was 188. Which one is right?
  1. What does this mean? I’m actually interested to know. Google returned nothing
  2. What we’re saying is God didn’t write the Bible to teach science. He wrote it to teach us spiritual truths. And I’m sure that one could find scientific inaccuracies in the Quran as well.
  3. We ask because we’ve never heard of this falsification test
  4. But do you understand my analogy at least? And you don’t necessarily but the original first. That site had a button to remove the original. Also, a quick Google search will reveal that there actually are subtle differences in the Arabic text between versions.
  5. That’s only because it’s a compilation of books by many different authors.
  6. Who is johaching? I’ve NEVER heard the name
 
Hear oh Israel, the god our lord is one lord. Deutronomy
There is no one like Yahweh our god 8:10 exodus
There is no god but one Corinthians 8:4
“O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You” 1 Chronicles 17:20
Now don’t tell me anyone you don’t believe it.
I can give you as much proof as much you want.
Let me ask one more question .
Why law of Christian countries are against the bible law?
Bible says adultery is banned wh ever do adultery should be killed.
Adultery:
Any sexual relation with none other then husband and wife like:
Men to men
Women to women
Boy friend and girl friend
Dates
And such issues
Specially bible says women should cover her head but we can see no one covering but discovering the whole body.
Now someone again don’t tell me the rules cause we are discussing. But if you don’t have answer you treat me again
May Allah guide us all
 
How do you believe in god
I believe in God because he is a necessary being.
, and how does trinity came inside the christianity?
There is no verse in the bible about trinity?
Not explicitly, no. But the doctrines of the original Christians are not based on Scripture alone. The divinity of Christ was explicitly taught by St. Ignatius in the first century, and that of the Holy Spirit by St. Justin, among other Fathers, in the early second century. There is nothing to suggest a break with apostolic tradition.
Why bible says day and night was created before creation of sun and moon,
Because the creation account is not a scientific account.
and moon has its own light?
The moon is from our perspective a light that shines on earth. Moses spoke in the usual way and did not have the intention of increasing our scientific knowledge of astronomical objects. (By the way, the Qur’an calls the moon a luminous light too.)
I have seen many unscientific portions which i have asked any one got no reply.
We interpret Sacred Scripture in the literal sense, and from this possibly the spiritual sense (which is subdivided into the allegorical, moral, and anagogical senses). Just like you do with the Qur’an. When you read in the Qur’an that Allah “created the heavens and earth in six days and then established Himself above the Throne”, do you think that God actually sits on a throne? No, you know that the meaning is that God is exalted over creation.
 
Hear oh Israel, the god our lord is one lord. Deutronomy
There is no one like Yahweh our god 8:10 exodus
There is no god but one Corinthians 8:4
“O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You” 1 Chronicles 17:20
Now don’t tell me anyone you don’t believe it.
Reca, I am very familiar with these texts – however, the new testament is written purely in Greek – THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE. There is no evidence that scientifically, the new testament has changed in any significant way; Copyist errors aside, the meaning of the texts is still preserved even with mistakes.

Jesus says “I AM” – therefore, he is God. To Thomas in the upper room, after seeing his hands and feet – Thomas says “My LORD AND MY GOD”. Jesus does NOT correct him. If Jesus is a prophet, then claiming God’s name means something VERY serious.

God said to Moses THREE times, his “name”. He did not give a single name, but three variations. From these, the trinity is established scripturally.

Now, you may not believe the bible is accurate – but that’s not the topic of the thread; if you wish to discuss that, please start another thread so that the appropriate people will find you.
I can give you as much proof as much you want.
Let me ask one more question .
Why law of Christian countries are against the bible law?
Bible says adultery is banned wh ever do adultery should be killed.
Adultery:
Any sexual relation with none other then husband and wife like:
You missed the most important one; worship of a false God. Idolatry.
Idolatry is called Adultery, by prophets, Many times in the bible.
In the first encounter between the Israelites in the exodus with foreign women ended with Phineas and the killing of a man with that women in his tent.

That act, of taking her into his tent, was an act declaring a marriage – BUT the women happened to be temple priestesses (or temple whores, of Idols).
It is for this act of adultery, not the sexual one, that the killing was approved.
These people were, after all, at war.
Specially bible says women should cover her head but we can see no one covering but discovering the whole body.
Now someone again don’t tell me the rules cause we are discussing. But if you don’t have answer you treat me again
May Allah guide us all
Nonsense; The old testament forbade the eating of PorK; but in the new testament St. Peter is shown unclean animals and TOLD to eat them by the voice of God (possibly through an angel.); Again, it was done three times.
Acts 10:11.

While on earth, Jesus said: “It is not what goes into a man which makes him unclean, but what comes out of a man” (Adultery comes from the heart).
Matthew 15:10-11.

or Roman 14:14 – I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus that there is NOTHING unclean of itself; but to him that believes something is unclean, to him it is unclean.

Do you have such a weak conscience, that you do not hear the words Jesus has given us about he himself being greater than Moses?; Thus Jesus CAN change the law – or more precisely, he can interpret is better than any sheik, pharisee, or hypocrite. ALL of history agrees that the food laws were never accepted by Gentiles because Jesus taught otherwise; nor were the Jews previously under Moses Law allowed to enforce the dietary laws after Jesus Came.
 
Dear huiou,
You even dont know that bible language is NOT GREEK its hebrow (aramic).
Any ways, at least one christian accept bible has errors and mistakes.
Jesus never said i am god or worship me if you say he said i am god and worship me then the verses i qoutedd shows again that bible has contradictions, but he never claimed divinity for more information watch
Was Jesus really crucified by dr. Zakir naik vs pastor rukni
You mentioned about upper room dear huiou, and thomas touches his hand and feet, where i history have you heard and seen ghost with flesh and bone. It means he didn’t die on the cross. And before that mother marry goes in the tomb to massage him, is this a tradition in christianity or other religions to massage dead bodies, it shows he was alife.
So, how st, Paul made this trinity, and who is Paul to touch words of god huh.
My brother you think i am a kid so you tell me that idolatry is adultery,
Idolatry is to worship something other then allah (God almighty). You have a look to dictionary.
And when thomas said oh my lord, it doesn’t mean he become god.
What am i trying to tell you is that if you heard that one of your dearest
has been crucified but later on you see him alife and you see the harsh wounds, for sure any one will say oh my god or oh my lord.
I didn’t ask about moses i asked about laws, and dont you dare to blame Jesus peace be up on him that he changed the law its people like you for having their sinfull pleasures to be completed changing the words of god and messenger.
That day is so close that inshahallah Jesus will be back on earth to clarify that
he never claimed divinity but he said to worship allah who is my lord and your lord
 
Dear huiou,
You even dont know that bible language is NOT GREEK its hebrow (aramic).
Reca, you also quoted CORINTHIANS. Corinthians is Greek. Duh.

I said the New Testament is Greek. Read carefully, your insults are making you look ignorant.
Any ways, at least one christian accept bible has errors and mistakes.
Jesus never said i am god or worship me … but he never claimed divinity…
Yes he did. Jesus said: Before Abraham came to be “I AM”.
God’s own personal name: “I AM”.
Was Jesus really crucified by dr. Zakir naik vs pastor rukni
You mentioned about upper room dear huiou, and thomas touches his hand and feet, where
I DO believe Jesus had a body… so what?
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i history have you heard and seen ghost with flesh and bone. It means he didn't die on the cross.
A man dies of a heart attack. We do CPR on him. He’s alive again – does that mean he didn’t DIE? You’re CRAZY.

Brain function can CEASE and then be revived.

Lazarus DIED (Jesus himself says so!!!) and then he is raised from the dead.
It’s not a GHOST – it’s a man with a body. Dead and then alive again.
And before that mother marry goes in the tomb to massage him, … it shows he was alife.
First off: Jesus’ mother is NOT said to have gone to the tomb. Mary of Magdala did.

Secondly, we know that people go to tombs in Jewish culture to wrap peoples dead bodies in cloth; it’s called mummification – and the Jews brought the practice with them from Egypt. Or do you believe they were never in Egypt??? Pharaohs are made into mummies. The Jews did a similar thing for all their family – they were DEFINITELY dead when they took spices and cloth to a TOMB. That’s even more proof HE WAS DEAD.
So, how st, Paul made this trinity, and who is Paul to touch words of god huh.
My brother you think i am a kid so you tell me that idolatry is adultery,
Idolatry is to worship something other then allah (God almighty). You have a look to dictionary.
Obviously, you haven’t read the prophets. They called idolatry the same crime as adultery. A nation has no sexual organs, so it can’t commit adultery; but it CAN have a national religion, and import false Gods. So when a prophet accuses the nation ISRAEL of adultery and fornication – it’s obviously NOT about men and women’s genitals.
And when thomas said oh my lord, it doesn’t mean he become god.
What am i trying to tell you is that if you heard that one of your dearest
has been crucified but later on you see him alife and you see the harsh wounds, for sure any one will say oh my god or oh my lord.
No, I wouldn’t say that. I don’t use the Lord’s name in vain. It’s a sin.

I might be capable of saying “Oh God!” and it would be a prayer for help to God that I might understand, but I would NEVER say TO my friend “My Lord and My GOD”.

You’re not actually reading the text carefully.
John 20:28 “And Thomas said to him my Lord and my God.”

Jesus’ claim to the name “I AM” are all over scripture; and also who can forgive sins BUT GOD ALONE ? So why is it easier for Jesus to say “Your sins are forgiven” over “Take up your mat and walk?”
I didn’t ask about moses i asked about laws,
You quoted the Law OF MOSES; are you ignorant of it’s author?
Do you have any idea about what jurisdiction of a law is?

Here Jesus shows a conflict:

Matth 19:7, They said to him – “Then why did Moses command them to give a writing of divorce and to put her away?”
Matth 19:8 He said to them "Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to put away your wives, but in the beginning it was not so.

Genesis is the first law book. It is TORAH (law). So is leviticus and duteronomy; (duteronomy means SECOND law).

In my example, Jesus shows that there are two laws about divorce; and dictates that Moses’ law of divorce is not applicable to every person.

Hence, Jesus shows that Moses changed the original law that God dictated (the older law) – and that the later law was imposed on sinners; The two laws have different jurisdictions; Much of the law of Moses was made for those already condemned of a crime. (hardness of heart, just like Pharaoh).
and dont you dare to blame Jesus peace be up on him that he changed the law
He can throw Moses’ law out for those of us not guilty of the crime of the Israelites. Once Jesus died, he was no longer bound by Moses’ law. St. Paul says so.

By his death, and our adoption, he freed us from having to obey the Law of Moses; we are no longer guilty of the Golden Calf crime – and we can eat pork; and what of you?
its people like you for having their sinfull pleasures to be completed changing the words of god and messenger.
There’s no sin in eating pork – St. PAUL SAYS SO. ST. Paul’s word is the word of God – he is God’s messenger.

Who are You to contradict God’s word through his messenger, St. Paul?
That day is so close that inshahallah Jesus will be back on earth to clarify that
he never claimed divinity but he said to worship allah who is my lord and your lord
I see no reason to believe you. You contradict intelligent study of scripture, God’s word itself. No one knows the hour NOR THE DAY of his return, and “the day is so close” is obviously a meaningless fabrication on your part;
I expect it is more probable that you and I will both have died before that day comes. People who make prophecies about when the end will come are seldom true prophets; more likely they have been deceived by a devil acting like an angel.

How do you know this “time”? Where does your message come from, so that it can be put to the test as St. Paul commands?
 
Welcome Rica,

can you please tell me why we don’t have the original copy of the Koran? Was it destroyed?

Thanks.
 
What kind of questions do you have?
I think I have found a spiritual director, really odd how that came about. I get so frustrated at times, not just for myself, but for others who get caught up in these modern times, when so much “progressiveness” is tainting the truth.

Thank you for asking.
May you have a wonderful 2013.

🙂
 
Hello ever one,
I have some question if some one would like to answer
How do you believe in god, and how does trinity came inside the christianity?
There is no verse in the bible about trinity?
Why bible says day and night was created before creation of sun and moon, and moon has its own light?
I have seen many unscientific portions which i have asked any one got no reply.
Specially about falsification test on Mark
Hi Reca, Welcome aboard 🙂

The Trinity concept takes time and pray to understand many of the Early Church Fathers struggled with this and they were Christian, i:e St Augustine Here is a link to what happened to him so he could understand the Trinity. suscopts.org/messages/lectures/theologylecture7.pdf

Heres a YouTube clip explaining the Trinity from the Old Testament, using verses from the Old Testament youtube.com/watch?v=BNt5NKSse0Y&feature=share&list=LLZK4WOyAyVDC818mcdV1oXw

This wont answer everything but its a start : )
 
What are you on about abucs?
And dear psalm, when we speak about a religion ( script) and faith script always is the evidence to back it up but here in christianity what a christian believe is more then bible
Importance.
Many of your priest revert to islam after reading and understanding both bible
and Quran.
Like yusuf rates his catholic priest friend and his entire family
Read what dr. keet moore wrote about islam, why cats steven become a muslim, why messih the soccer player become muslim and romantic others, just put yusuf estes on you tube and see what will you get.
In german after a speach by yusif estes about what he learned from bible and how christian prechers around him was lieing to people and after introducing island to them do you know how many people revert to island?
1250 person all together, perhaps they were all crazy according to you lol.
No worries say any you would love to muslims and island as you people do like that rubish movie about prophet muhammad peace be up on him
 
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