Concept of god in Christianity?

[aragonjohn1]

What about the errors do you mean God makes error. Naozubellah wa astaghferullah
Brother if we accept the all bible is word of god so we are saying that God is unsxientific. Do you accept it? I dont.
If you look at greek it does not say that the word was god it only says the. Word was with god.
A brother asked about falsification test its in mark 16:18 how strange
A christian asks about bible.
Another brother said Quran is translated as well, i know but in any language its translated
The original script is first and then we put the translation.
But the original bible doesn’t exist. Your scholers say not me.
Even the old testament is translated to hebriw from greek.
in one place it says johaching was 8 years when he start rain another place it says he was 188. Which one is right?

God made something and quite a few someones out of nothing i don’t think He Is completely unscientific.
Science is not just about knowledge sir.
Catholics believe That God knows what He is talking about in the Bible That is one of the reasons why many Christians and non-Christians talk about the Bible as the Word of God.

Less than 0.02% of known manuscripts before the year 400 are currently known to exist yet the Bible has survived intact despite centuries of persecution, ignorance, and intolerance, etc… Not to mention the fact that the Catholic libraries were the only surviving libraries in most of the Roman empire for over 300 years.

Hope this helps you Sir
God bless You again
Merry Christmas

 

[reca]

Dear raznir,
It means I seek refuge and forgiveness of Allah.
My dear along with your group here and take the help and all power of Christianity if you find a scientific error in the Quran (astaghferullah) I will accept Christianity, but surprised with all those mistakes and errors in bible why people don’t wanna admit it huh, and by the way I have heard some people saying Islam spread by the sword but surprisingly for you that Quran doesn’t allow killing people, and as I mentioned before one of the meaning for word Islam is sincerity so how can you force some one to be sincere.
You said you never HEARD of falsification test, that is because you believe in what preachers tells you all, if you bother your self and instead google search for one time open your book and read it all, and then read Quran if you really looking for the truth as cats Steven did, as yusuf Estes (gill Estes ) did, as dr, Morris did and many other seeking truth needs self motivation and trying the best, I , as a Muslim still learning from Quran and lessening to debates between Christian preachers, pastors, priest and dour Muslim schoolers.
I am giving you a title on you tube just watch it as a start of your research on Christianity and Islam.
I know you wouldn’t watch but I am trying tell you what is the truth, so on judgement when Allah ask me that have I conveyed the message to any one so I can yes my lord I did as you that say, he is Allah the uniquely one, the I dependent and besought of all, he begets not, nor is he begotten, there is none like unto him.
Quran doesn’t have VERSIONS it’s only one Quran in original language and each country has its translation along with Arabic script and many Muslims have it memorised the whole Quran, subhanallah

And about the joahchin (jehoiachin)
In 2nd kings ch24 v 8 it says he was 18 years old when he began to rain
In 2nd chronicles ch36 V9 it says he was 8 years old when he began rain

It’s mentioned about covering of women in Corinthians 11:5-6 that woman shoul cover her hair otherwise she should be shorn, and today every Sunday I can see women going to church not even covering thief head but wearing mini and really short dresses.
Some one asked what does Quran says about moon light. You can have your answer from the debate which I said before that will give you more information and understanding.
Any ways I will give u time to speak up now

Have a lovely time

 

[Psalm110]

What are you on about abucs?
And dear psalm, when we speak about a religion ( script) and faith script always is the evidence to back it up but here in christianity what a christian believe is more then bible
Importance.

The doctrine of the trinity comes from the Scriptures the Old Testament and the New Testament. Watch the YouTube link, it provides important scripture verses !!!

Many of your priest revert to islam after reading and understanding both bible
and Quran.
Like yusuf rates his catholic priest friend and his entire family
Read what dr. keet moore wrote about islam, why cats steven become a muslim, why messih the soccer player become muslim and romantic others, just put yusuf estes on you tube and see what will you get.
In german after a speach by yusif estes about what he learned from bible and how christian prechers around him was lieing to people and after introducing island to them do you know how many people revert to island?

What does this have to do with the Trinity that we are discussing? Are you here to preach to us Islam ?. There have been many Muslims who converted to Christianity, and even they say Islam is a lie.

1250 person all together, perhaps they were all crazy according to you lol.
No worries say any you would love to muslims and island as you people do like that rubish movie about prophet muhammad peace be up on him

Again, this has nothing to do what we are discussing.
1250 converting ?. The same can be said about Christianity hundreds of Muslims convert to Christianity also. People are free to believe whatever they want to believe. Truth only comes when you truly want God to show you and lead you to the truth.
Do I base Islam on 9/11 ? NO I do not ?, so then why do you base Christianity on a Movie which was not even made by a true loving Christians?.

 

[abucs]

What are you on about abucs?

Hello Reca.

I thought my question was quite simple.

I understand that Muslims believe that in the 7th century God dictated the Koran through an angel to Muhammad who then had a scribe write down what he said.

Where are the original copies of these dictates from Muhammad? Were they destroyed?

and follow up questions :
If they were destroyed, who destroyed them and why?
If not destroyed, then where are they?

Thanks.

 

[aragonjohn1]

Dear raznir,
It means I seek refuge and forgiveness of Allah.
My dear along with your group here and take the help and all power of Christianity if you find a scientific error in the Quran (astaghferullah) I will accept Christianity, but surprised with all those mistakes and errors in bible why people don’t wanna admit it huh, and by the way I have heard some people saying Islam spread by the sword but surprisingly for you that Quran doesn’t allow killing people, and as I mentioned before one of the meaning for word Islam is sincerity so how can you force some one to be sincere.
You said you never HEARD of falsification test, that is because you believe in what preachers tells you all, if you bother your self and instead google search for one time open your book and read it all, and then read Quran if you really looking for the truth as cats Steven did, as yusuf Estes (gill Estes ) did, as dr, Morris did and many other seeking truth needs self motivation and trying the best, I , as a Muslim still learning from Quran and lessening to debates between Christian preachers, pastors, priest and dour Muslim schoolers.
I am giving you a title on you tube just watch it as a start of your research on Christianity and Islam.
I know you wouldn’t watch but I am trying tell you what is the truth, so on judgement when Allah ask me that have I conveyed the message to any one so I can yes my lord I did as you that say, he is Allah the uniquely one, the I dependent and besought of all, he begets not, nor is he begotten, there is none like unto him.
Quran doesn’t have VERSIONS it’s only one Quran in original language and each country has its translation along with Arabic script and many Muslims have it memorised the whole Quran, subhanallah

And about the joahchin (jehoiachin)
In 2nd kings ch24 v 8 it says he was 18 years old when he began to rain
In 2nd chronicles ch36 V9 it says he was 8 years old when he began rain

It’s mentioned about covering of women in Corinthians 11:5-6 that woman shoul cover her hair otherwise she should be shorn, and today every Sunday I can see women going to church not even covering thief head but wearing mini and really short dresses.
Some one asked what does Quran says about moon light. You can have your answer from the debate which I said before that will give you more information and understanding.
Any ways I will give u time to speak up now

Have a lovely time

Hello again sir
Could you please tell me where the word science is in the koran and if you can in the bible?

God bless You
Merry Christmas

 

[reca]

Dear brothers,
I have on the subject and our subject is not trinity its concept of believing in god.
Any ways, one brother asked to show him the word science in Quran and bible. I think my brother didn’t get the discussion we are here to show you the word science we are here to see that is both the scripts can pass the scientific test or not and the question i have no one could answer it properly not even the youtibe clip it speaks just like what you say here. DID ANY ONE WATCH THE CLIP I MENTIONED BEFOR IN YOU TUBE.
dr. William campell accepted all those points can any answer to them here IF HE SAW THE CLIP, I DONT THINK ANY ONE SAW IT CAUSE FROM WBAT YOU STILL I CAN SEE NO ONE HAVE SEEN IT
Dear abucs
I think some people really need to read history.
It was never written on time off prophet,
Quran is recitation its what you recite and memorize it.
It was memorized by campanions of prophet muhammad peace be upon him.
Later on at the time of second caliph. Omar bin alkhatab when some of them killed he gathered the remained ones and ordered to write it and it doese exist still in arabia and as it was like before many if muslime have memorised it, as i am doing. Go to any muslim and ask about a verse to recite it and ask another muslim to recite it you will see no changes and difference in it, the major point is that Jesus peace be upon him said the prophet cummings after me will bring a book that will be kept in hearts means will be memorized and this is the big reason why Quran haven’t change by will of allah subhana wa ta aala.
A brother said trinity can be find in old testement what does old testement do with trinity old testament was for mussa peace be upon him that should be the five books which returned by him as tawra or you wanna say there was two Jesus and for one was old testement and for another was new testement and when its been many times proved from the bible that Jesus was not crucified so from where this holly ghost came. And for your information crucify means to put some to DEATH on the cross means the person must be dead to say he has been crucified i suggest you all to not run after a single verse of the bible look at the whole chapter what does it say. Like one of you said the Jesus peace be upon him said yes i am lol i am what what does the whole chapter says and he said I AM is a name of god, should i believe hehehe?
Any how our job was, is and will be always to present the truth and as you said its personal to accept it or not.
Again you guys didn’t reply all my questions be when you see that the points and erros in bible i raised is true you try to changel my attention but remember, please clarify those points if you can cause god is clean from mistakes and errors

 

[Huiou_Theou]

Hello ever one,
I have some question if some one would like to answer
How do you believe in god, and how does trinity came inside the christianity?

1. I believe in God’s existence based on seeing his power in nature and reason.
2. I first believed in the trinity because it was taught without proof, but now I also believe in trinity based on evidence of the old and new testaments, gor example: that Moses was told God’s “name” three times in a row, with three different words used for that name. (and many more examples are possible).
3. The trinity came into Christianity as a doctrine as a consequence of Jesus claiming and proving he was equal to God; and secondly through Jesus (and St. Peter, etc.) demonstrating the person-hood of the Holy Spirit.

For example you can’t lie to electricity, but you can lie to a person or Judge. Acts 5:3, Ananias why have you lied to the Holy Spirit… usccb.org/bible/acts/5 ) etc.

Or again, Jesus says “Why do you call me Good? No one is GOOD except God.” and then he says “I AM the GOOD shepherd.” etc.

He also said, ‘Before Abraham came to be, “I AM”’ etc. etc. etc.

There is no verse in the bible about trinity?

No, the word trinity is used to explain what is found in the bible; but the word itself is not in the bible.

Why bible says day and night was created before creation of sun and moon, and moon has its own light?

Because Genesis is a law book which also records evidence from other cultures when discussing court cases.

Genesis does not mean to discuss astronomy nor even how God almighty created the universe in modern scientific terms; It is meant to take a given background (even if hypothetical) to be used in judging the guilt or innocence of people involved in an action. The creation of the universe is a mysterious and symbolic explanation taken a-priori as sufficiently accurate for the court case. (not absolutely accurate in every possible interpretation.)

Secondly, no human was around when the universe was created. We weren’t created until last in the narrative. Hence, the story you are reading is a “vision” that someone saw through the inspiration of God.

Visions work by analogy and symbols. So, you don’t really know what the vision is talking about (in detail) – until you can identify what a symbol stands for.

For example:
The word “day” has multiple meanings in the original languages. One variation of meaning is that a day is used to express an unknown, but uniform unit of time – rather than only 24 hours.

This is easily demonstrated from scripture itself:

2Pete 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that with the Lord, one day is as a thousand years , and a thousand years is as a day.
usccb.org/bible/2peter/3/

But, it isn’t only time which a “day” can represent or be represented by.
A Day is often used as a generic “container” of events or things.

In Genesis, the idea of light and dark occur both on day 1 and day 4; In fact, the groups are related very strongly between day 1+4, 2+5, and 3+6. A Dr. Scott Hahn has a very good explanation of why these places, events, and rulers (kings or measuring) are called “days”; and more importantly why it repeats in groups of 3 )

If you want to know about Jonah’s sign, and Jesus’ use of it – you also need to grasp why there are three nights and three days; and that it is repeated twice. But I digress…

I will leave off by merely showing an explicit vision, which is also a legal case, aquitting one man – and condemning another. Note that the things in the visions are not literal; but are symbols of one man dying – and another living.

Genesis 40:12 And Joseph said, this is the interpreation of it: The three branches are three days.
See verses 9-13.
usccb.org/bible/genesis/40

Joseph knew the creation account, and the reasoning that Genesis used “DAYS” – and because of that, he is able to interpret the vision correctly.

With regard to Genesis 1:
The bottom line is this; No human being was alive when light was first created – the person who wrote down Genesis had a vision, which is an analogy. If you don’t know how the ancients thought – you have no way of figuring out what the analogy is trying to describe. That’s why you’re lost.

I have seen many unscientific portions which i have asked any one got no reply.
Specially about falsification test on Mark

Others have asked you about the scientific aspects of the KORAN because of what you just said up above; and because you have been actively trying to promote Islam in the thread. If you don’t wish to answer the question, I suggest you avoid any further attempts to place the Koran above the bible.
Any complaint you make about the bible, must also be judged of the Koran – if you are not to be seen as a hypocrite.

 

[abucs]

Hello Reca,

you seem to want to make lots of points but not discuss or defend them when questioned. With respect, referring people to you-tube clips is not discussion.

You mentioned before the validity of the koran as opposed to the bible.

Do you not think it is strange that according to Islam, Muhammad receives the most incredible dictate from God and neither God, nor the angel, nor Muhammad think to compile a book? Do you not think it strange that Muslims revere a book that was not authorised or requested by God, the angel or Muhammad?

Do you not think it suspect that the person who decided to compile a book, waited decades after Muhammad died, decided for himself what the dictates of God should be, burned all previous writings and forbade anyone to hold onto previous writings that were made at the time of Muhammad?

How can we trust a supposed text dictated by God when not even God asked for it to be written down?

Your claim that the koran is more trustworthy than the bible needs to be defended. Can you defend it please?

 

[Razanir]

Hello ever one,
I have some question if some one would like to answer
How do you believe in god, and how does trinity came inside the christianity?
There is no verse in the bible about trinity?
Why bible says day and night was created before creation of sun and moon, and moon has its own light?
I have seen many unscientific portions which i have asked any one got no reply.
Specially about falsification test on Mark

I have on the subject and our subject is not trinity its concept of believing in god.

You mentioned the Trinity in your original post. I’d hardly call that it NOT being the subject. Also, God IS the Trinity, so “Concept of God” includes the Trinity by default

Like one of you said the Jesus peace be upon him said yes i am lol i am what what does the whole chapter says and he said I AM is a name of god, should i believe** hehehe**?

I’d prefer not to have my beliefs laughed at. After the first page, I got everyone to stop mocking your beliefs. The least you could do is return the favor and not mock ours.

Also, if you really did just come here to preach Islam, that’s against forum rules

 

[aragonjohn1]

Dear brothers,
I have on the subject and our subject is not trinity its concept of believing in god.
Any ways, one brother asked to show him the word science in Quran and bible. I think my brother didn’t get the discussion we are here to show you the word science we are here to see that is both the scripts can pass the scientific test or not and the question i have no one could answer it properly not even the youtibe clip it speaks just like what you say here. DID ANY ONE WATCH THE CLIP I MENTIONED BEFOR IN YOU TUBE.
dr. William campell accepted all those points can any answer to them here IF HE SAW THE CLIP, I DONT THINK ANY ONE SAW IT CAUSE FROM WBAT YOU STILL I CAN SEE NO ONE HAVE SEEN IT
Dear abucs
I think some people really need to read history.
It was never written on time off prophet,
Quran is recitation its what you recite and memorize it.
It was memorized by campanions of prophet muhammad peace be upon him.
Later on at the time of second caliph. Omar bin alkhatab when some of them killed he gathered the remained ones and ordered to write it and it doese exist still in arabia and as it was like before many if muslime have memorised it, as i am doing. Go to any muslim and ask about a verse to recite it and ask another muslim to recite it you will see no changes and difference in it, the major point is that Jesus peace be upon him said the prophet cummings after me will bring a book that will be kept in hearts means will be memorized and this is the big reason why Quran haven’t change by will of allah subhana wa ta aala.
A brother said trinity can be find in old testement what does old testement do with trinity old testament was for mussa peace be upon him that should be the five books which returned by him as tawra or you wanna say there was two Jesus and for one was old testement and for another was new testement and when its been many times proved from the bible that Jesus was not crucified so from where this holly ghost came. And for your information crucify means to put some to DEATH on the cross means the person must be dead to say he has been crucified i suggest you all to not run after a single verse of the bible look at the whole chapter what does it say. Like one of you said the Jesus peace be upon him said yes i am lol i am what what does the whole chapter says and he said I AM is a name of god, should i believe hehehe?
Any how our job was, is and will be always to present the truth and as you said its personal to accept it or not.
Again you guys didn’t reply all my questions be when you see that the points and erros in bible i raised is true you try to changel my attention but remember, please clarify those points if you can cause god is clean from mistakes and errors

sir,
Many people on the forums are amateur apologists and can only answer a few questions
If you want more questions answered post in the ask an apologist forum or search this site or forums ( or if you have time another Catholic site)

trust me i have already watched too many of those videos and YouTube is not that trusted of a source in quite a few circles (eg: like Wikipedia)

Hope this helps you sir
God bless you on you’re way
Hope you continue to have a glorious christmas and a blessed new year

 

[reca]

You said huiou that there is no proof for trinity then what are you defending of, and for you more information read Ezekiel 23 and tell what kind of god’s word is?
Look at jimmy swag art bible and king jims version and tell that is god changing the bible each year.

 

[Razanir]

You said huiou that there is no proof for trinity then what are you defending of, and for you more information read Ezekiel 23 and tell what kind of god’s word is?
Look at jimmy swag art bible and king jims version and tell that is god changing the bible each year.

1. Huiou NEVER said there wasn’t proof. He only said that he was able to accept it without proof when he first heard of it. Then later on, he learned of all the evidence for the Trinity in the Bible.
2. What exactly is your point with Ezekiel 23?
3. That is not God changing the Bible each year. That is MEN changing the Bible. Admittedly this is an extreme analogy, but it would be like pointing to the Watchtower Bible and uses it as evidence that the Catholic Church no longer believes in the Trinity. Which, by the way, is false. Those nutty JWs don’t believe in the Trinity, not us.
4. Honestly, if you want Early Modern English for your Bible, go with Douay-Rhiems. It actually comes with Deuterocanon

 

[reca]

Dear razanir i think huiou’s english was very plain to understand.
Secondly my point with ezekiel 23 is that would you think that god will write such a thing huh, and i date any true christian to read it to their mothers, their daughters, sisters and wife’s , would you?
Well my dear you admit that bible is changing each year. But still emphsizing that its goda’s word. How can you do it huh?
And its not a small change. From 77 books now look how many books left in the bible, now men are so. Become powerfull that removing god’s words from the bible and instead putting what they want. And they even dont remember what the did and say, in a debate between ahmad deedat and jimmy swagart, Mr swagart was emphasizing that john 3:16 is not begotten son but its unique son, but in few minutes later he turns back saying that its begotten son.
How ever english is english my dear if there is change in english its not my fault OKEY

 

[Razanir]

Dear razanir i think huiou’s english was very plain to understand.
Secondly my point with ezekiel 23 is that would you think that god will write such a thing huh, and i date any true christian to read it to their mothers, their daughters, sisters and wife’s , would you?
Well my dear you admit that bible is changing each year. But still emphsizing that its goda’s word. How can you do it huh?
And its not a small change. From 77 books now look how many books left in the bible, now men are so. Become powerfull that removing god’s words from the bible and instead putting what they want. And they even dont remember what the did and say, in a debate between ahmad deedat and jimmy swagart, Mr swagart was emphasizing that john 3:16 is not begotten son but its unique son, but in few minutes later he turns back saying that its begotten son.
How ever english is english my dear if there is change in english its not my fault OKEY

First off, the Bible is God’s words. God’s Word (singular) is Jesus.

Also, there were, are and always will be 73 books in a Catholic Bible, NOT 77. Protestants took out Deuterocanon and changed the Bible to 66 books. This would be comparable to if I was a Muslim, but didn’t agree with a few sura and decided to remove them to start my own Islamic sect.

Also, this is happening with the thousands of Protestant denominations, and then some (LDS and JWs). Some people (such as Charles Taze Russell) have changed the Bible and made their own versions to have it show what they want it to. For example, changing John 1:1 to read “…and the Word was a god.” not “…and the Word was God.” (Emphasis mine) The point is, people will always be re-translating the Bible to suit their own purposes. It’s very disappointing, but very much within free will. An important part of this, however, is the Catholic Church maintains a list of good/accurate Bible translation, such as NABRE for English, or the Einheitsübersetzung for German.

On a side note, please explain to me how this:

1. I first believed in the trinity because it was taught without proof, but now I also believe in trinity based on evidence of the old and new testaments, gor example: that Moses was told God’s “name” three times in a row, with three different words used for that name. (and many more examples are possible).

implies there is no proof for the Trinity in the Bible. He said that at first he believed it without evidence, but later found some. I am sure you are/were the same with God/Allah. It is called FAITH– Being able to believe in something without evidence or proof.

 

[abucs]

Reca, if you are honestly looking to understand Christian concepts of the Trinity then perhaps this link might help.

catholic.com/search/content/trinity

Please don’t tell me how much better Islam is. I have rejected that a long time ago.

 

[aragonjohn1]

Dear razanir i think huiou’s english was very plain to understand.
Secondly my point with ezekiel 23 is that would you think that god will write such a thing huh, and i date any true christian to read it to their mothers, their daughters, sisters and wife’s , would you?
Well my dear you admit that bible is changing each year. But still emphsizing that its goda’s word. How can you do it huh?
And its not a small change. From 77 books now look how many books left in the bible, now men are so. Become powerfull that removing god’s words from the bible and instead putting what they want. And they even dont remember what the did and say, in a debate between ahmad deedat and jimmy swagart, Mr swagart was emphasizing that john 3:16 is not begotten son but its unique son, but in few minutes later he turns back saying that its begotten son.
How ever english is english my dear if there is change in english its not my fault OKEY

Welcome again sir:

English does change English was unknowingly invented over a millennium ago English today is getting worse and sometimes more imperfect than when English began. In fact engrish may have begun.

Hope this helps you sir
Hope you have a blessed epiphany and a merry Christmas…
God bless you on your way towards you’re savior.

 

[Huiou_Theou]

You said huiou that there is no proof for trinity

Reca, I realize English isn’t your first language; but I never said there was no proof and I’d ask you to re-read what I wrote slowly and carefully.

I already GAVE one of the proofs that the trinity always existed: Moses asked for God’s name ( He asked for ONE singular name ), and God answered three times.

We have three names for God revealed through scripture and from the history of Abraham and the promise – We at very least know God as: Father who has a Spirit.

Later we learn from Moses, that his name is mysteriously triple.

It’s the implication of the triple name which was not understood until Jesus came – but the evidence was always there; people just weren’t always smart enough to take the clues God gave us and reason to the logical inference.

The name Father signifies the Origin; The word Son signifies the destination of the origin’s life; and the Holy Spirit (Ruah/breath) signifies life itself.

If there was no Spirit, God would not be alive; If there was no Son, there would be no destination for the Origin to send to ( analogously: St. John says, God IS Love – therefore without a Son, God has no one TO love.)

Think about it:
A Father is not a word meaning “loving only one’s self” – but rather, it is a word demanding that there be a relationship to someone/something else.

Even if the word “Father” is taken in the arrogant sense, as teacher or master – these words always imply “a relationship with something else”.

God can’t be Father unless and until there IS something else to be father of.
God can’t be Master unless and until there IS something else to be master of.

NOW – The world was created by God; Do you not believe that, like us?

If so, then you must realize that either God changed (which is impossible) or else he was already Father, Origin, or at least Master before he created anything. He must always have had someone to be master over, or father to.

I know God was not created; he created something else using the Spirit.
I know that God didn’t create the Spirit because the Spirit is what does the creating! ( Genesis 1:2, … the breath [Spirit] of God carried aloft the formless and void waters ).

The neccesity of an eternal relationship of Father/Spirit can be shown in another way: The words have implications:

Spirit [breath] implies life; A person without breath is dead.
It is air which oxygenates the blood; therefore, life is in the blood.
It is the spirit that Gives Life to the blood.

Now, apply it to God:

Since God is alive, and he has a Spirit – we know by the meaning of words that God always had the Spirit; or else we admit (wrongly) that God was once dead.

Therefore, God always had a Spirit.
To be Mater or Father, the following must be true:

A Father gives Life to a Son.
A Master controls the Life of a slave,

These names are what prove the trinity the very most. They force a set of minimum relationships with at least two people involved, and these relationships had to be true eternally – and even before creation.

You must say, God is Not master before the world began, or else there was someone that God was Master of; God was not Father before the world began, or else there was a Son.

In either case – life was involved – and two persons.
A trinity.

then what are you defending of, and for you more information read Ezekiel 23 and tell what kind of god’s word is?
Look at jimmy swag art bible and king jims version and tell that is god changing the bible each year.

I just read Ezekiel 20.

In Ezekiel 20:11, we have the place where God gave them his law – and in Ezekiel 20:13 they rebelled.

It is for this rebellion that God says Ezekiel 20:25 “For that reason, I also gave them statutes (law) that were NOT good, and judgments whereby they should not live, and I polluted them in their own gifts, …”

So, even here – God adds a second law; and this new law is because of sin. The new law has jurisdiction over sinners, but not over those who didn’t sin.

That’s exactly what I have been saying; there is more than one law – and not all laws in the old testament apply to all people equally.

So, now – I ask you:
What is it that you think Ezekiel shows? Why would you think it somehow refutes anything I have said? I read the passage and it only strengthens what I have said.

 

[reca]

Quran didn’t change and no one is gonna change it because as I said god Leyland the Muslim to have it memorized any change will be caught. Christians tried many time.
And really really some mistakes in my English is cause of my mobile dictionary some homes I forgot to recheck otherwise I haven’t learned ASIAN ENGLISH.
anxious I told you guys Quran says there’s non like ungovernable Allah.
I think that was plain English but any ways you guys are so expert that know how to ignore the points or questions that you cant or haven’t answer to.
You said god said three times yo Moses.
What god said and where is it in the bible.
Also I said to read Ezekiel 23 not 20 please read it and let me know that what Kong of god word it’s and please teache Ezekiel 23 for your kids after all its god’s words.
Yes qe believe messiah (Jesus Jesus) peace be upon him was word (promise) of almighty god given to Maryam peace be upon her.
By the way how much does bible talks about maryam, in Quran she has a own chapter called Surat maryam 19.
Any how I know that I am talking to programmed people but at least I am talking from my religion not from sayings of preachers

 

[Razanir]

Quran didn’t change and no one is gonna change it because as I said god Leyland the Muslim to have it memorized any change will be caught. Christians tried many time.

I don’t think you’re getting this. I have a few verses (a few meaning 1) memorized from the Latin Vulgate. I know it’s not the ORIGINAL, but it’s good enough for this analogy.

John 1:1 reads: “In principio erat Verbum, et Verbum erat apud Deum, et Deus erat Verbum.”

Most Bible translations will give “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” But some (like Watchtower) end it “…and the Word was a god.”

Both of these are grammatically accurate translations, but only the first one is the truth. So two translations can have vastly different theological interpretations, but both be grammatically accurate.

Also, there is NOTHING stopping me from making my own translation of it, such as word-for-word “…and God was the Word.” The Church might not want to print it because I’m unqualified and it’s an awkward wording, but no thunder or lightning came down to smite me for translating it differently.

So in short:

1. One could change the theological implications of something without changing the source
2. It’s sad that people will manipulate the Bible to serve their own goals, but there’s nothing stopping them–free will

 

[reca]

Dear razanir,
Lets analyse briefly the verse you quoted.
As I get what you said the word was god, right?
So if the word was god there was no need to say the beginning was the word cause as you believe the word was god.
Secondly if the word meant god so lets have a look how the the verse would look if we translate the word, word as god.
In the beginning was god, and the god was with god, and the god was god.
Is this what you mean huh, and I don’t care what ever you translate your human hand wrote bible as you guys saying. I am only doing my job as our prophet peace be upon him told us, he asked his companions have I preached and told every thing from words of Allah and the law (Quran), and he said I preached you and you preach to other brothers and sisters.
Furthermore, why in some Greek bible it says QEON and ton QEON and other Greek bible says THEOS and ton THEOS.
What would be the translation of theos and ton theos is it like big god and small god how does it work.
You claiming bible is god’s words, how many god? Or which god? Is it Saint John, Mathew, Luke, Paul.
By the way what happened to the old bible found in turkey which clearly speaks about prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.
Why Christians say its fake.
Any how there are lots of proofs for our faith but as Quran says about some people,
They are deaf, the are dumb and they are blind,
They are deaf cause they can hear the truth but they block their ears, they are dumb cause they know the truth but the block their mouth and they are blind cause they can see the truth but they shut their eyes.
Signs of judgement day mentioned in Quran and words of our beloved prophet peace be upon him are nearly done, we are waiting for raising of false Christ among the Israel and coming back of i’sa peace be upon him, and seeing the condition of Syria it looks very close.
Any ways