Concept of god in Christianity?

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I think that was plain English but any ways you guys are so expert that know how to ignore the points or questions that you cant or haven’t answer to.
You said god said three times yo Moses.
What god said and where is it in the bible.
Exodus 3:14 and 15.
usccb.org/bible/exodus/3

He gives three variations on his name (singular, not names plural):
I am who am, I AM, Lord.

They are three variations on the idea of Being; These thee variations have differnt spellings in Hebrew – and they were translated into both English and Greek as different words as well.

Perhaps you don’t know – but there are Greek old testament books which are older even than Jesus himself. Jesus himself quotes them in Greek – the same Greek as the new testament (Koine). He does not quote the Hebrew variations in many places, but stays with the Greek of his day.

God’s name was not to be spoken out loud, so the Greek’s would write Kyrios (LORD) where-ever the Hebrew bible has YHWH; Yod He Uav/Waw He ].

Jesus himself claims to be LORD; As in the psalm, the Lord said to my Lord (YHWH) – sit at my right hand until…
So, Jesus can be shown to use: I AM, and Lord, to refer to himself.
Also I said to read Ezekiel 23 not 20 please read it and let me know that what Kong of god word it’s and please teache Ezekiel 23 for your kids after all its god’s words.
I don’t understand what you mean; Your English is so garbled/misspelled that there is no obvious meaning.
Yes qe believe messiah (Jesus Jesus) peace be upon him was word (promise) of almighty god given to Maryam peace be upon her.
By the way how much does bible talks about maryam, in Quran she has a own chapter called Surat maryam 19.
Any how I know that I am talking to programmed people but at least I am talking from my religion not from sayings of preachers
There is Miriam (Moses’ sister) in the old testament who is spoken of very much; and then there is Mary the mother of Jesus in the new testament who is mentioned throughout Jesus’ life and in many places in the new testament.
Within the Catholic Church there is much written about Mary from oral tradition and from revelation which is not in the bible, specifically.
She has more that just one book written about her … as she is a very important person, and many believe also the sayings from her through angels at Fatima, etc.

Peace be to you, and I do hope you find whatever it is you are looking for.
 
Reca your Koran says Jesus became Incarnate in the Womb of the Virgin Mary through the Power of the Holy Spirit.
You’re a Catholic and you don’t know it…
 
One of my posts containing about hundreds of contradictions in the bible is deleted from here I wanna know why?
Shreek can you give me the reference where does the Quran says that, now I can see why Christians go in wrong way, cause they translate what ever they want.
Quran says 21:91 it says : and she who guarded her chastity [virgin Maryam (Mary)] we breathed in to (the sleevs ) of her (shirt or garment), through our ruh - jibrael (Gabriel)] and we made her and her son i’sa (Jesus) a sign for al aalamin (mankind and jinns).

You can’t play with words of god my dear its not bible to put one verse in and out every year and please did any one read Ezekiel 23, I need to know how does it feel after reading it specially when you are teaching it to you sons and daughters
 
One of my posts containing about hundreds of contradictions in the bible is deleted from here I wanna know why?
Shreek can you give me the reference where does the Quran says that, now I can see why Christians go in wrong way, cause they translate what ever they want.
Quran says 21:91 it says : and she who guarded her chastity [virgin Maryam (Mary)] we breathed in to (the sleevs ) of her (shirt or garment), through our ruh - jibrael (Gabriel)] and we made her and her son i’sa (Jesus) a sign for al aalamin (mankind and jinns).

You can’t play with words of god my dear its not bible to put one verse in and out every year and please did any one read Ezekiel 23, I need to know how does it feel after reading it specially when you are teaching it to you sons and daughters
Reca, you’re not going to persuade Catholics and other Christians on CAF to see G-d exactly the way you, a believer in Islam, do; and neither are Christians going to persuade you. Why not learn about Catholicism, as I as a Jew have, rather than attempting to reveal what is wrong with the concept of G-d in Christianity? After all, we–Christians, Muslims, and Jews–all believe in ethical monotheism, so that’s a start. I myself have debated with Catholics here concerning the meaning of certain biblical passages in the Hebrew Bible, but what function does it serve on a Catholic Forum to reject dogma and doctrines that are the basis of Christianity?
 
One of my posts containing about hundreds of contradictions in the bible is deleted from here I wanna know why?
Shreek can you give me the reference where does the Quran says that, now I can see why Christians go in wrong way, cause they translate what ever they want.
Quran says 21:91 it says : and she who guarded her chastity [virgin Maryam (Mary)] we breathed in to (the sleevs ) of her (shirt or garment), through our ruh - jibrael (Gabriel)] and we made her and her son i’sa (Jesus) a sign for al aalamin (mankind and jinns).

You can’t play with words of god my dear its not bible to put one verse in and out every year and please did any one read Ezekiel 23, I need to know how does it feel after reading it specially when you are teaching it to you sons and daughters
I’m just going to warn you that you’re wearing on my charitability here.

With the exception of Luther and all the other Protestants removing Deuterocanon, I cannot think of a single time anyone has added or removed verses from Biblical canon. There may be groups out there with horrible translations, both in terms of theology and internal consistency, but books have only been removed the one time. (At least after Biblical canon was established)
 
Reca,

it is good that you are trying to follow what Muhammad taught you.

In Sura 10:94 he says that if you have any concerns then you should go and consult the people of the book who have been reading it before you.

You can argue about possible additions to the bible, but the canon was fixed hundreds of years before Muhammad asked you to consult the Christians.

We still have originals of those bibles that Muhammad talked about.

If those writings were in error then Muhammad would not of spoken Sura 10:94 telling you to learn from the Christians and their book that we can still read today.
 
One of my posts containing about hundreds of contradictions in the bible is deleted from here I wanna know why?
If it is deleted, then the forum administrator removed it.
It’s generally considered spam to post something with 100’s of points in it.
There is no way anyone can respond to that… you have to show each contradiction 1 or 2 at a time so it can be talked about.
A debate isn’t won by burying your opponents … a conversation isn’t enlightening by drowning out those trying to talk with you.
Shreek can you give me the reference where does the Quran says that, now I can see why Christians go in wrong way, cause they translate what ever they want.
Christians can’t translate anyway they want. There are rules of English and Language which make certain translations wrong.

Here in the U.S. there are going to be translations of the Koran – and guess what, moslem’s read them here too – in English; but not all translations of the Koran into English are going to use the exact same words either. That’s why there are editions…
You can’t play with words of god my dear its not bible to put one verse in and out every year and please did any one read Ezekiel 23, I need to know how does it feel after reading it specially when you are teaching it to you sons and daughters
I read Ezekiel 23, many times. It feels great. It feels wonderful. I love the passage.

What verse in Ezekiel 23 is “in” or “out”? What is it that you are trying to say? Who played with what?
 
Dear Reca,

Although I address this to you, I do not expect a response. I just hope that this may help you with a sincere search for God, through Jesus (who is the way, the truth and the life).

All that I have seen is that you are happy to make claim after claim, which may I add have been more than adequately disproven by others here that the Holy Spirit is clearly working through. However what I have not seen is any intention of discussing the answers that you have been provided with. Instead you either dismiss them with telling people to go and look at youtube… which I find to be a hypocritical answer to give after telling us that we are wrong to look to the Church Fathers for teaching on the faith. If you have not dismissed them this way then you have totally ignored them, presumably as you do not have any response, maybe because of the truths that have been given to you in these answers.

I pray that you can search in your heart to discover why you do not have answers and find the truth that is Christ. I hope that God softens your heart, and that He sends the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of Jesus; to guide you on your search for whatever you are looking for.

I would like to acknowledge the great charity and patience of my dear brothers and sisters that have responded to you. Keep up the good work in all you do guys.

“Oh that today you would listen to His voice! Harden not your heart” Psalm 94

You have my prayers brother.

May God pour some of His graces into your heart.
 
The phrase “Son of God” has mentioned in new testament as saying he is follower of god. Within the testament same word is used for David or prophet before Jesus. So are all those is also son of God? My guess is no.
Its all lies with translation of old text to english. Same with the word christ. In old book there 10+ mentioned of christ for past Israeli king, prophet. But the translation occured, the same word has different meaning for Jesus.
Also, The Oxford Dictionary of the Jewish Religion mentioned that in Jewish idiom “Son of God” is clearly metaphorical. According to Luke 3:38: “Adam, which was the son of God.”
Adam is also son of God. At the end of the day you can’t translate a word to different meaning for different person.
Both 2 Samuel 7:1314 and 1 Chronicles 22:10 read, “He (Solomon) shall build a
house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be his
Father, and he shall be My son.”
According to above line everybody is son of god, if you translate literally the word.
“Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One. And you
shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind,
and with all your strength.” This is the first commandment.’” (Mark 12:2930) , Deuteronomy 6:4-5
So the question is why after many century Trinity become mainstream
here is some reason:
  1. Its better to be leader than follower. Jews follow one god. more than half Jesus follower pray to one God. So its better to create a new idea and be a leader of that group.
  2. Be unique. If your grandfater said that there is one god. your father same thing. Now you are coming and saying same thing. Nobody will listen to you.
  3. Satan. The no 1 crime in all Abrahamic religion is believing in “Multiple God”.
At end of the day my post is not about hatred toward Jew, Christian or Muslim. And I am not trying to persuade anybody to convert to One god religion. In that task lots of prophet failed including Jesus.
Peace be upon you all.
 
Its all lies with translation of old text to english. Same with the word christ. In old book there 10+ mentioned of christ for past Israeli king, prophet. But the translation occured, the same word has different meaning for Jesus.
Actually, christ (note the lower case c) means the same thing as messiah– Anointed One. Because the kings were anointed much as Catholics are at baptism, they can accurately by called christ. However, the meaning has shifted to specifically refer to Jesus, particularly when capitalized (Christ).

Similar– Worship did not always mean “praise given to a deity.” Originally, dulia, hyperdulia and latria were all forms of worship.
Also, The Oxford Dictionary of the Jewish Religion mentioned that in Jewish idiom “Son of God” is clearly metaphorical. According to Luke 3:38: “Adam, which was the son of God.” Adam is also son of God. At the end of the day you can’t translate a word to different meaning for different person.
Technically, Adam and Jesus are both sons of God, just in different ways. Adam was created by God. At the end of the genealogy, it’s referring back to the creation narrative, showing that Jesus’ earthly father was also descended from God in a way.

Jesus, however, was God’s (only) begotten Son since the beginning of time. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
According to above line everybody is son of god, if you translate literally the word
I believe it’s correct to say that. (Someone check me) Just like Mary is our heavenly mother.
At end of the day my post is not about hatred toward Jew, Christian or Muslim. And I am not trying to persuade anybody to convert to One god religion. In that task lots of prophet failed including Jesus.
The association of the words “prophet” and “Jesus” in a post where you deny the Trinity leads me to believe you are a Muslim. Also, you capitalize next to nothing and with random line breaks. I apologize in advance if my accusation is false, but are you by any chance the same person as reca?
 
Quran didn’t change and no one is gonna change it because as I said god Leyland the Muslim to have it memorized any change will be caught. Christians tried many time.
And really really some mistakes in my English is cause of my mobile dictionary some homes I forgot to recheck otherwise I haven’t learned ASIAN ENGLISH.
anxious I told you guys Quran says there’s non like ungovernable Allah.
I think that was plain English but any ways you guys are so expert that know how to ignore the points or questions that you cant or haven’t answer to.
You said god said three times yo Moses.
What god said and where is it in the bible.
Also I said to read Ezekiel 23 not 20 please read it and let me know that what Kong of god word it’s and please teache Ezekiel 23 for your kids after all its god’s words.
Yes qe believe messiah (Jesus Jesus) peace be upon him was word (promise) of almighty god given to Maryam peace be upon her.
By the way how much does bible talks about maryam, in Quran she has a own chapter called Surat maryam 19.
Any how I know that I am talking to programmed people but at least I am talking from my religion not from sayings of preachers
Reca,

We have much in common despite our differences. So I would rather focus on what we share in common. Will our Creator judge us according to the thoughts of our mind only?
Or will He judge us according to the intentions and actions of our hearts?

We have a Creator who breathed His Spirit into us. This is what makes us similar to one another. This is confirmed by the Hebrew and the Christian scriptures, and by the Quran.

As we are strengthened by His Spirit, we will be in obedience to our Creator.

alim.org/library/quran/ayah/compare/15/29/story-of-adam%27s-creation;-prostration-of-the-angels-before-him-and-the-refusal-of-shaitan-to-prostrate-and-shaitan-and-his-followers-are-destined-for-hell

His peace be with you

micah
 
Dear nige,
When we speak about religion and faith, we need prove which called revelation to our prophets peace be upon all of them.
My dear, I don’t care about any one which is not according to the scriptures.
As my friend said that bible says to all Christians to obey and worship one god not two or three.
According to bible I have just asked about some explanation about the contradictions in bible which instead of answering your brothers start saying things out of bible out of there minds, and my posts being deleted.
as they say Christ with lower and upper case, but I can’t see any upper and lower case letter in Hebrew, Aramaic And Greek. Is there ?

Dear mercytruth,
In common we have one thing at first place that you rejected already,
The first commandment, worship only one god.
Dear razanir I will not say anything to you more but the word begotten, what does it mean be honest your religion and faith.
And how does it come that only jesus is begotten son and others are not? No logic my dear
Any ways the posts that is deleted I will send you again that contains hundred of contradictions in bible and just tell me that how god almighty can send a book full contradiction and words like Ezekiel 23
 
Hello Reca,

Christianity believes in a multiplicity of God but not in a multiplicity of Gods.

For example, God can hear my prayers, and yours at the same time in different parts of the world. At the same time he can ‘manage’ our universe and give someone inspiration and instruct an angel to reveal something and be sad at the murder of an innocent and happy at the joy of a wedding.

You are right to suppose that if God is like us in nature, He cannot be as the Trinity. But God is not like us, especially in His nature and I think limiting him to be like us does not work.

Christians and Muslims believe God can do all of the above tasks at the same time and he is doing this constantly. Christians also believe he can be incarnated as a man in His Creation in order to teach us about important things like love, forgiveness, goodness, evil and relationship to God himself. It is very difficult to understand God as incarnated and God as in Heaven at the same time but it is also very hard to understand how He can do all of the above simultaneously as well.

Regards.
 
Reca,

As abucs said, Christians believe in a multiplicity of God, not one of gods. I’ll use my water analogy again:

Water. Good old H2O. Let’s pretend you have 3 samples of it– one is solid (ice), one is liquid (liquid water) and one is gaseous (water vapor). Are any of them less water than the others just because they take different forms? No. Similarly, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are all the same Triune God.
 
Dear nige,
When we speak about religion and faith, we need prove which called revelation to our prophets peace be upon all of them.
My dear, I don’t care about any one which is not according to the scriptures.
As my friend said that bible says to all Christians to obey and worship one god not two or three.
According to bible I have just asked about some explanation about the contradictions in bible which instead of answering your brothers start saying things out of bible out of there minds, and my posts being deleted.
as they say Christ with lower and upper case, but I can’t see any upper and lower case letter in Hebrew, Aramaic And Greek. Is there ?
Dear mercytruth,
In common we have one thing at first place that you rejected already,
The first commandment, worship only one god.
 
Can some one clarify these,
There are more I will send you guys.
War or Peace?

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

Who is the father of Joseph?

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it:

MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
 
Hello Reca.

These are good questions. It would be worthwhile to separte them and start a different thread for each one.
 
Can some one clarify these,
There are more I will send you guys.
As long as you are asking about who God is, it’s on topic.
And don’t spam by sending many of them at once.

But questions about who went to the tomb, and the father of Joseph aren’t about God. This is last I’ll answer that kind of question here.
War or Peace?
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
In Romans 15:31, St. Paul makes it clear he’s in a genocidal/ideological warzone; See also Acts 9:23-24. That’s the context.

Your language skills are an issue, so I’ll belabor the point.

Here are two true statements that appear to contradict, like yours APPEAR to:
God the Father is “God of Israel”. ( An Israeli’s God )
God the Father is “God of Christians”. (A Christian’s God)

If you ask, Is it “God of Israel” OR “God of Christians”:
The answer is: He is the God of Israel, AND the God of Christians;

Because he is our God does not mean we control him; If I say “The Muslim’s Allah” or the “Allah of Muslims” – I don’t mean you are greater than Allah, but you would agree with me that Allah rules over you. Riiiiiiiiiight?

Therefore: When you ask: Is it the “God of war” OR the “God of peace”;
I say: HE IS the “God of war” AND the “God of peace”.

Wars must submit to God; Peace, too, must obey God.
Neither war nor peace controls God – but rather – it is the same God who rules over both war and peace.

St. Paul wants God to change his environment full of war into one where he can find peace. That’s why he mentions the God of peace.

The bible is very clear on God’s authority over war and peace, both.
As it says: usccb.org/bible/ecclesiastes/3
1* There is an appointed time for everything,
and a time for every affair under the heavens.

8 A time to love, and a time to hate;
a time of war, and a time of peace.

11**(“http://www.usccb.org/bible/ecclesiastes/3#25003011-b”) God has made everything appropriate to its time, but has put the timeless* into their hearts so they cannot find out, from beginning to end, the work which God has done.
Who is the father of Joseph?
MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph…
LUK 3:23 … being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
I am surprised you would ask that; am I wrong in assuming you have middle-eastern family roots?

The words brother, father, mother, and sister can refer to all kids of people related more or less closely when talking with peoples of the middle east and Palestine. A brother could be a child sucked at the same breast as another, but it could also be a cousin with totally different mothers.

I mean – ISN"T IT OBVIOUS that when Jews say, “Our father Abraham”, they don’t mean their immediate biological father but a man who lived 1000’s of years before? Or, (Gasp), when some Moslems in my religion class said that they claimed Abraham as their Father through Ishmael, that they too meant a man of centuries ago? Or am I wrong, are Abraham and Ishmael common Moslem names today? (eg: Like Mary was in Jesus’s day…?)

As long as it could potentially reconcile, you have no proof of a contradiction; just proof of ignorance of an irrelevant point. This kind of question is really off topic.
Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it:
MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
They all agree; what’s the problem?
There are (at least) two women named Mary who go to the tomb on Easter Sunday; John does not deny that another Mary went to the tomb on that day; he just doesn’t mention her.
Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?
JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.
JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
What do you mean by “Greater” ?
Do you think two men equal if they have the ability to do exactly the same things if they want to?
Do you think one is really greater if their reputation exceeds another’s?

What do you think if their abilities are IDENTICAL, but one of them is more popular?

I mean, my Father is greater than I in age, and always will be.
So, I can say he is “greater” in one way.
(AND I think that’s true of any bilogical father (eg: not adoptive.) )

There are ways, though, that my Father is not as good as I am; but even then, he is still my Father, without whom I never would have come into being.

Please clarify what you mean by greater so I can answer you FULLY.
And while you do that, here is some more contradiction fuel for you…
ENJOY!

1Corinthians 8:5-6, and John 5:19.

usccb.org/bible/john/5
usccb.org/bible/1corinthians/8

Bring it on!
 
Can some one clarify these,
There are more I will send you guys.
War or Peace?

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

Who is the father of Joseph?

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it:

MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
I do not feel your questions warrant a reply. There is no indication that you are hearing or contemplating the answers you have received thusfar. Were you to do so, you would find that, not only would you gain an understanding of Catholicism, but your own faith would grow. We are talking about the same God. You come across as argumentative. “There are more I will send you guys.” Really? This is how one appraoches a community of a different faith. I feel you are insulting sacred scripture. I would not do likewise to the Quran, and you would not tolerate it. If you are truly interested in Catholicism, I would recommend, pick up a copy of the Catechism. If you then want to understand how ppl bring into their lives, that might be the time to return to the forums. I am a new member, and I do not pretend to speak for anyone but myself.
 
Reca,

As abucs said, Christians believe in a multiplicity of God, not one of gods. I’ll use my water analogy again:

Water. Good old H2O. Let’s pretend you have 3 samples of it– one is solid (ice), one is liquid (liquid water) and one is gaseous (water vapor). Are any of them less water than the others just because they take different forms? No. Similarly, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are all the same Triune God.
If you are saying same god in different form then
  1. Why Jesus need instruction via angel(another god)
  2. a) Who died in the end? man part of the god or (man+God)
    b) If man part of the god is died then why its a big deal.
  3. Did Jesus pray to God in his crucifixion? What was his pray? Was his pray accepted?
    This are the question’s answer you need to have before you put forward.
    Here is some problem with H2O analogy:
    “Why do you call me good: No one is good but One, that is, God.” (Matthew 19:17, Mark 10:18, and Luke 18:19)
    “Jesus answered them and said, ‘My doctrine is not mine, but His who sent me.’” (John 7:16)
    “For I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.”
    (John 12:49)
Good way to approach this problem is JUST BELIEVE. Not water analogy, I guess.
 
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