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All shrines are master masons. All master masons are part of a blue lodge. Not all master masons are shiners, and not all blue lodge members are shiners. I created a venn diagram to help: cheezburger.com/View/4914990848

Why would you expect someone to break an oath they swore in order to satisfy your misunderstanding? It’s the same as asking an engineer to break a non disclosure agreement in order to explain the piece of technology they work on. Sure they could do it, but they’d lose their job and get sued.
Why would you swear an oath to Allah on the Koran if you are a Christian?

I am trying to understand why a Christian would want to be a Mason/Shriner.

Can you answer the claims about indifferentism, syncretism and immoral oaths? Please make a Christian defense of the ‘rituals’.

The rituals’ teachings concerning God, salvation by works alone, resurrection and eternal life in the celestial lodge.
 
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Why would you expect someone to break an oath they swore in order to satisfy your misunderstanding? It’s the same as asking an engineer to break a non disclosure agreement in order to explain the piece of technology they work on. Sure they could do it, but they’d lose their job and get sued.**

Then why not have masons just sign a non-disclosure agreement. This is a legal process.

An oath made by men of all faiths around a common altar, with the Koran alongside the Bible and other religious writings on the Masonic altar is something entirely different. This is a religious ritual.

An attempt at blending different religious beliefs into a unified whole, this is syncretism.

Indifference is a logical outcome of syncretism. Hate is not the opposite of love, indifference is.
 
Knowing which book you are speaking of might help everyone to answer your question. Could you post the title?
Its called “to the priests, Our Ladys beloved sons”
its a series of interior locutions given by the Blessed Mother to fr Stefano Gobbi, founding the Marian Movement of priests. its been approved as trustworthy by the church, and theres nothing in it thats contrary to the gospel, faith or morals.

im a member, and i used to attend cenacles regualarly, not recently though, but lately iv had a renewed devotion to the Virgin Mary and her plans, which has kind of driven me to put this issue on the table.
heres a link to the website
mmp-usa.net/main.html
 
ill post the full message called “the beast like a leopard”

his message was given on June 3, 1989

"Beloved sons, today you are gathered in cenacles of prayer to celebrate the feast of the Immaculate Heart of your heavenly Mother. From every part of the world, I have called you to consecrate yourselves to my Imaculate heart, and you have responded with filial love and generosity. I have now formed for myself my army, with those children who have accepted my request and have listened to my voice.

The time has come when my immaculate Heart must be glorified by the church and by all humanity because, in these times of the apostacy, of the purification and of the great triblulation, my Immaculate Heart is the only refuge and the way which leads you to the God of salvation and of peace. Above all, my Immaculate heart becomes today the sign of my sure victory, in the great struggle which is being fought out between the followers of the huge red dragon and the followers of the Woman clothed with the sun.

In this terrible struggle, there comes up from the sea, to the aid of the dragon, a beast like a leopard.

If the red dragon is marxist atheism, the black beast is freemasonry. the dragon manifest himself in the force of his power; the black beast on the other hand, acts in the shadow, keeps out of sight and hides himself in such a way as to enter in everywhere. He has the claws of a bear and the mouth of a lion, because he work everywhere with cunning and with the means of social communication, that is to say through propaganda. the seven heads indicate the varoius masonic lodges, which act everywhere in a subtle and dangerous way. This black beast has ten horns. the horn in the biblical world, has allways been an instrument of amplification, a way of making ones voice better heard, a strong means of communication.

For this reason God communicated His will to His people by means of ten horns which made His law known: the Ten Commandments. The one who accepts them and observes them walks in life along the road of the devine Will, of joy and of peace. the one who does the Will of the Father accepts the word of his Son and shares in the redemption accomplished by Him. Jesus gives to souls the very devine life, through grace, that He won for us through his sacrifice carried out on Calvary.

The grace of the redemption is communicated by means of the seven sacraments. With grace there becomes implanted in the soul the seeds of supernatural life which are the virtues.

Amoung these, the most important are the three tholological and four cardinal virtues: faith, hope, charity; prudence, fortitude, justice and temperance. In the devine sun of the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit, these virtues germinate, grow, become more and more developed and thus lead the soul along the luminous way of love and sanctity.

The Task of the black beast, namely masonary, is that of fighting, in a subtle way, but teatiously, to obstruct souls from travelling along this way, pointed out by the Father and the Son and lighted up by the gifts of the Spirit. In fact if the red dragon works to bring humanity to do without God, to the denial of God, and therefore spreads the error of atheism, the aim of masonry is not to deny God but to blaspheme Him. The beast opens his mouth to utter blasphemys against God, to blaspheme his name and his dwelling place, and against all those who dwell in heaven. the greatest blasphemy is that of denying worship due to God alone by giving it to the creatures and to satan himself. This is why in these times, behind the perverse actions of freemasonry, there are being spread everywhere black masses and the satanic cult. Moreover masonry acts, by every means, to prevent souls from being saved, and thus it endeavours to bring to nothing the redemption accomplished by Christ.

If the Lord has communicated his Law with the Ten Commandments, Freemasonry spreads evrywhere, through the power of its ten horns, a law which is completely opposed to that of God.

To the commandment of the Lord: ‘You shall not have any other gods but me’, it builds other false idols, before which many today prostrate themselves in adoration.

To the Commandment: ‘You shall not take the name of God in vain’, it sets itself up in opposition by blaspheming God and his Christ, in many subtle and diabolical ways, even to reducing his Name indecorously to the Level of a brand name of and object of sale and of producing sacreligious films concernintg his life and his devine Person.

To the commandment: ‘Remember to keep holy the sabbath day’, it transforms Sunday into a weekend, into a day of sports, of competitions and of entertainments.

To the commandment: ‘honour your father and your mother,’ it opposes a new model of family based on cohabitation, even between homosexuals.

To the commandment: ‘you shall not kill,’ it has succeeded in making abortion legal everywhere, in making euthanasia acceptable and causing respect due to the value of human life all but disappear.

To the commandment: ‘You shall not committ impure acts’, it justifys, exalts and propigates every form of impurity, even to the justification of acts against nature.

To the Commandment:‘You shall not steal’, it works to the end that theft, violence, kidnapping and robbery spread more and more.

To the Commandment: ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ it acts in such a way that the law of deceit, lying and duplicity becomes more and more propagated.

To the Commandment:‘You shall not covet the goods of the wife of another’, it works to corrupt the depths of the concience, betraying the mind and the heart of man.

In this way souls become become driven along the perverse and wicked road of disobediance to the Laws of the Lord, become submerged in sin and are thus prvented from recieving the gift of grace and the life of God.

its pretty long so iv gotta put the rest in the next post.
 
The beast like a leopard, continued

To the seven theological and cardinal virtues, which are the fruit of living in the grace of God, freemasonry counters with diffusion of the seven capital vices, which are the fruit of living habitually in the state of sin. To faith it opposes pride; to hope, lust;to charity, avarice; to prudence, anger; to fortitude sloth; to justice, envy; to temerance, gluttony.

Whoever becomes a victim of the seven capital vices is gradually led to take away the worship that is due to God alone, in order to give it to false divinitys, who are the very personification of all these vices. And in this consists the most horrible blasphemy. This is why on the head of the beast there is written a blasphemous name. each masonic lodge has the task af making a different ( false) divinity adored.

The first head bears the blasphemous name of pride, which opposes itself to the virtue of faith and leads one to offer worship to the god of human reason and haughtiness, of technology and progress.

The second head bears the blasphmous name of lust, which opposes itself to the virtue of hope,and bring one to offer worship to the god of sexuality and of impurity.

The third head bears the blasphemous name of avarice, which opposes itself to the virtue of charity and spreads everywher the worship of the god of money. the fourth head bears the blasphemous name of of anger, which opposes itself to the virtue of prudence and leads one to offer worship to the god of dicord and devision.

The fith head bears the blasphemous name of sloth, which opposes itself to the virtue of fortitude and disseminates the worship of the idol of fear, of public opinion and of exploitation.

The sixth head bears the blasphemous name of envy, which opposes itself to the virtue of justice and leads one to offer worship to the idol of violence and of war.

The seventh head bears the blasphemous name of gluttony, which opposes itself to the virtue of temperance and leads one to offer worship to the so highly extolled ido of hedonism, of materialism and of pleasure.

The task of the masonic lodges is that of working today, with great atuteness, to bring humanity evrywhere to the disdain of the holy Law of God, to work in open opposition of the Tem Ciommandments, and to take away the worship due to God alone, in order to offer it to certain false idols which become extolled and adored by an ever increaseing number of people: reason, flesh, money, discord, domination, violence, pleasure. ( you dont have to look very hard in the world today to find evidence of this truth)

Thus souls are precipitated into the dark slavery of evil, of vice and of sinand, at the moment of death and of the judgment of God, into the pool of eternal fire which is hell.

Now you understand how, in these times, against the terrible and insidious attack of the black beast, namely of masonry, my Immaculate Heart becomes your refuge and the sure road which brings you to God. In my Immaculate Heart there is delinated the tactic made use of by your heavenly mother, to fight back against and to defeat the subtle plot made use of by the black beast.

For this reason I am training all my children to observe the Ten Commandments of God; to live the Gospel to the letter; to make frequent use of the sacraments, especially those of penance and Eucharistic Communion, as nessesary helps in order to remain in the grace of God; to practice the virtues vigourously; to walk allways along the path of goodness, of love, of purity and of holiness.

Thus i am making use of you, my little children who have consecrated yourselves to me, to unmask all those subtle snares which the black beast sets for you and to make futile in the end the great attack which masonry has launched today against Christ and his Church. And in the end, especially in his greatest defeat, there will appear in all its splendour, the triumph of my Immaculate Heart in the world.
 
The beast like a leopard, continued

To the seven theological and cardinal virtues, which are the fruit of living in the grace of God, freemasonry counters with diffusion of the seven capital vices, which are the fruit of living habitually in the state of sin. To faith it opposes pride; to hope, lust;to charity, avarice; to prudence, anger; to fortitude sloth; to justice, envy; to temerance, gluttony.

Whoever becomes a victim of the seven capital vices is gradually led to take away the worship that is due to God alone, in order to give it to false divinitys, who are the very personification of all these vices. And in this consists the most horrible blasphemy. This is why on the head of the beast there is written a blasphemous name. each masonic lodge has the task af making a different ( false) divinity adored.

The first head bears the blasphemous name of pride, which opposes itself to the virtue of faith and leads one to offer worship to the god of human reason and haughtiness, of technology and progress.

The second head bears the blasphmous name of lust, which opposes itself to the virtue of hope,and bring one to offer worship to the god of sexuality and of impurity.

The third head bears the blasphemous name of avarice, which opposes itself to the virtue of charity and spreads everywher the worship of the god of money. the fourth head bears the blasphemous name of of anger, which opposes itself to the virtue of prudence and leads one to offer worship to the god of dicord and devision.

The fith head bears the blasphemous name of sloth, which opposes itself to the virtue of fortitude and disseminates the worship of the idol of fear, of public opinion and of exploitation.

The sixth head bears the blasphemous name of envy, which opposes itself to the virtue of justice and leads one to offer worship to the idol of violence and of war.

The seventh head bears the blasphemous name of gluttony, which opposes itself to the virtue of temperance and leads one to offer worship to the so highly extolled ido of hedonism, of materialism and of pleasure.

The task of the masonic lodges is that of working today, with great atuteness, to bring humanity evrywhere to the disdain of the holy Law of God, to work in open opposition of the Tem Ciommandments, and to take away the worship due to God alone, in order to offer it to certain false idols which become extolled and adored by an ever increaseing number of people: reason, flesh, money, discord, domination, violence, pleasure. ( you dont have to look very hard in the world today to find evidence of this truth)

Thus souls are precipitated into the dark slavery of evil, of vice and of sinand, at the moment of death and of the judgment of God, into the pool of eternal fire which is hell.

Now you understand how, in these times, against the terrible and insidious attack of the black beast, namely of masonry, my Immaculate Heart becomes your refuge and the sure road which brings you to God. In my Immaculate Heart there is delinated the tactic made use of by your heavenly mother, to fight back against and to defeat the subtle plot made use of by the black beast.

For this reason I am training all my children to observe the Ten Commandments of God; to live the Gospel to the letter; to make frequent use of the sacraments, especially those of penance and Eucharistic Communion, as nessesary helps in order to remain in the grace of God; to practice the virtues vigourously; to walk allways along the path of goodness, of love, of purity and of holiness.

Thus i am making use of you, my little children who have consecrated yourselves to me, to unmask all those subtle snares which the black beast sets for you and to make futile in the end the great attack which masonry has launched today against Christ and his Church. And in the end, especially in his greatest defeat, there will appear in all its splendour, the triumph of my Immaculate Heart in the world.
Hello and welcome to the Forum,

Not sure what this post has to do with freemasonry. Were you thinking of another thread or postinga new one?🙂
 
it got me wondering if any connection can be made between the increasingly athiest, and seemingly satanic agenda being pushed through, advertising, clothing design, tv, movies etc, and freemason corprate success.
i dont want to sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist, but i know the messages in the marian movement of priests book have been approved as trustworthy by the church and im inclined to agree.
so im curious about peoples opinions on this.
Riffer, I understand your question now (thanks for posting the book), and yes I would say there exists evidence in this world of all these things. One need only look around to see it. Even if this was just a sermon and not a private revelation, it’s a pretty good assessment of the situation.

I would point out that not every masonic inspired group identifies themselves a masonic, and most people in those groups do not realize their founders were masons or people inspired directly by masonry. Just as the Capital Sins also have daughters: so do the masonic movements. Much of what you see is very indirect and often promoted by non-masons.
 
I found a great site to learn about freemasonry; saintsalive.com/
This is truely an amazing site, you will learn that the upper temple of Morons practice Masonry. The Freemasons are refered to as “The black beast like a leopard.” Joining is automatic excommunication from our Lord’s Church.
Here are other sites; catholic.cephasministry.com/masonlst.html and ourlady3.tripod.com/lastmessage.htm.
Pass this on to as many people as you can! May St. Michael protect us. God Bless
What are Morons?
 
Why would you expect someone to break an oath they swore in order to satisfy your misunderstanding? It’s the same as asking an engineer to break a non disclosure agreement in order to explain the piece of technology they work on. Sure they could do it, but they’d lose their job and get sued.
An engineer is paid to keep secrets, a free mason pays to keep secrets - it not quite the same. :rolleyes:
 
Why would you swear an oath to Allah on the Koran if you are a Christian?

I am trying to understand why a Christian would want to be a Mason/Shriner.
Only the Knights Templar and a few other York Rite branches of masonry require its members to be Christian. I think the York Rite’s website can answer why a Christian would want to be a mason better than I since I’m not a mason.
 
I would point out that not every masonic inspired group identifies themselves a masonic, and most people in those groups do not realize their founders were masons or people inspired directly by masonry. Just as the Capital Sins also have daughters: so do the masonic movements. Much of what you see is very indirect and often promoted by non-masons.
Thats what i thaught, that the increasing promotion of sin and things offensive to God in the world was just the consequense of a wide spread athiest and ignorant philosiphy and the covert spiritual influence of satan on individuals.

but this message from The Blessed Mother got me thinking theres a more delibrate human
antichrist agenda being pushed on society.
for example i was walking past a food stall in a shopping centre, i think it was a dohnut king stall, and there was a poster advertising a deal called the “oh my dog deal”
either that was completely ignorant and inconsiderate of anyone that belives in God.
or a delibreate stab at God and anyone who loves Him.
so i wonder whos calling the shots in these companys?
can a connection be made between advertising like that and freemasons?
 
Why would you swear an oath to Allah on the Koran if you are a Christian?
No one in a recognized Masonic lodge would be required to take an obligation on a VSL that is not from their faith.
I am trying to understand why a Christian would want to be a Mason/Shriner.
Most join to become better men, raise funds for charities, to make a positive difference in society and to share Brotherhood which is the social aspect.
 
No one in a recognized Masonic lodge would be required to take an obligation on a VSL that is not from their faith.

Most join to become better men, raise funds for charities, to make a positive difference in society and to share Brotherhood which is the social aspect.
And be excommunicated from the Body of Christ.
 
I’m an English Anglican and not a freemason. My church’s attitude seems to have moved from being one of acceptance to disapproval. But I know one regular (lay) churchgoer who is a Mason. (He doesn’t know I know, and his handshake during “The Peace” is decidedly limp!).

I’ve been approached to be a mason more than once and have never wanted to join. From what I can understand it involves reciting huge amounts of gobbledegook and dressing up in funny clothes. Now you could cynically accuse Christians of this (in fact some atheists do). But at least we have a faith. We believe in the Divine. That is not part of freemasonry.

In my professional life I also occasionally saw what appeared to be a “dead hand” stopping things happening. In some cases it seems that freemasonry was behind that. I am also concerned about the secrecy angle. People like having secrets, but it can understandably give rise to suspicion, sometimes with reason.

Having said that, some of the postings seem to display a degree of paranoia. Freemasonry is not atheist. Indeed, I gather that the first question for a would-be mason is, “do you believe in God?”. The only acceptable reply is “yes”. In addition both the far left and the far right actively disapprove of freemasonry, regarding it as an anti-nationalist conspiracy. But such people often disapprove of Zionism as well, and even Roman Catholicism. Some equanimity is needed.
 
Having said that, some of the postings seem to display a degree of paranoia. Freemasonry is not atheist. Indeed, I gather that the first question for a would-be mason is, “do you believe in God?”. The only acceptable reply is “yes”. In addition both the far left and the far right actively disapprove of freemasonry, regarding it as an anti-nationalist conspiracy. But such people often disapprove of Zionism as well, and even Roman Catholicism. Some equanimity is needed.
like i said in my first post i dont want to seem like a paranoid conspiracy theorist, and i realise this subject can seem to lead somwon close to the edge of sanity.
i just tend to have a more childlike acceptance of Our Blessed Mothers authority, thats what shes calling for, if she sais freemasonry is bad and needs to be delt with, then thats good enough for me.
it seems like Our Ladys messages are too often not taken seriously enough.
Shes often stressing the graveness of the situation. as she said at fatima, “many souls go to hell” i dont know about you but to me thats a tragedy of epic proportions.
i dont think its wise to leave Our Heavenly Mothers messages unheeded, when even our own family members are being deceived and lead down the path to eternal perdition.
 
All esoteric knowledge and wisdom comes directly from God who lives within us all. Don’t waste your money and dignity on some other guy’s opinions and agendas.
 
No one in a recognized Masonic lodge would be required to take an obligation on a VSL that is not from their faith.
This is true. I’m the Master of a lodge in WA state and we recently passed a brother to his second degree. He is Jewish and therefore did not feel right taking his obligation on the VOSL we have on our altar (a Masonic edition KJV bible), so he brought a Tanakh and we used that for that night, even for opening and closing lodge.

Regards,

Charles
 
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