concerns about freemasonry

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for example i was walking past a food stall in a shopping centre, i think it was a dohnut king stall, and there was a poster advertising a deal called the “oh my dog deal”
either that was completely ignorant and inconsiderate of anyone that belives in God.
or a delibreate stab at God and anyone who loves Him.
so i wonder whos calling the shots in these companys?
can a connection be made between advertising like that and freemasons?
Well, it’s most likely they were just being clever. If I were to find a masonic reference in this, then I would say its a reference to Sirius the dog star or Blazing Star. I would be going way out on a limb by saying there was a direct influence.

You’ll find numerous masonic articles talking about it’s significance on the web.
 
Well, it’s most likely they were just being clever. If I were to find a masonic reference in this, then I would say its a reference to Sirius the dog star or Blazing Star. I would be going way out on a limb by saying there was a direct influence.
yeah but as christians going out on a limb is what were often called to do, especially in todays society.

i found it offensive that they would take the term oh my God reverse God to dog
then use it to advertise their products for sale.
these companys put alot of thaught into their promotions, i think we need to be aware of the possiblility that the blasphemous nature of advertising like that is intentional.

its a perfect example of what Our Lady pointed out in her message.
To the Commandment: ‘You shall not take the name of God in vain’, it sets itself up in opposition by blaspheming God and his Christ, in many subtle and diabolical ways, even to reducing his Name indecorously to the Level of a brand name and object of sale and of producing sacreligious films concernintg his life and his devine Person
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She pointed out the connection between blasphemous product naming or advertising and freemasonry.
but i suppose it depends if you believe the messages are authentic or not. like i said the catholic church has approved them as trustworthy.
 
The point of these groups is to teach basic principals all catholics and most other religious people abide by. They are taught respect for God, the bible and its teachings, respect for others, ect.

The importance of charity and community service are stressed with all of masonic based organizations.

In my experience with these organizations, there is nothing in these teachings that are against the ten commandments, or christian virtue.

I would recommend that you review some things from the freemasons, and their affiliated organizations. Many of these orders have copies of their rituals (formal guidelines) with the Library of Congress.
 
In my experience with these organizations, there is nothing in these teachings that are against the ten commandments, or christian virtue.
Respectfully.

May I ask what your experience with “these organizations” consists of?
 
yeah but as christians going out on a limb is what were often called to do, especially in todays society.
Don’t misunderstand me. Since, I don’t know whether the advertisers were trying to make a masonic reference or not. Hence, it is prudent ere on the side of caution until more evidence of an affiliation can be established.

You are right. The phrase is disrespectful to God. There’s a lot of intentional and unintentional blasphemy going. Far worse is when people who believe in God do it, then those who do it out of ignorance.
 
The point of these groups is to teach basic principals all catholics and most other religious people abide by. They are taught respect for God, the bible and its teachings, respect for others, ect.
The importance of charity and community service are stressed with all of masonic based organizations.
In my experience with these organizations, there is nothing in these teachings that are against the ten commandments, or christian virtue.
i just dont trust them, im with Jesus, Mary and the church.
and ill point out im not promoting any rash or crazy actions, i dont want anyone to freak out and baracade themself in their house with a shot gun from fear of satanic freemasons or go on a freemason kind of witch hunt or anything like that.

and i believe in mercy and forgivness, the goal here isnt condemnation, its salvation.

What im trying to promote the importance of living the gospel of Christ and following the instructions of Our Mother Mary. Like going to regular confession, Communion, and praying the rosary everyday, to name just a few.

you cant say we dont need it.
 
Don’t misunderstand me. Since, I don’t know whether the advertisers were trying to make a masonic reference or not. Hence, it is prudent ere on the side of caution until more evidence of an affiliation can be established.
You are right. The phrase is disrespectful to God. There’s a lot of intentional and unintentional blasphemy going. Far worse is when people who believe in God do it, then those who do it out of ignorance.
Thats true, it really annoys me when my friends blaspheme, i have a few friends that take the Lords name in vain often, i find it offensive, and i feel obligated when they do it to interupt the conversation and and admonish them about it. i need to go out on a limb to do that. i recon its because poeple do it so much on tv in movies that that habit has spread so much.

I dont want to falsely accuse anyone of satanic worship. i just have a confidence in the authentisity in the messages through fr Gobbi, i seriosly doubt hes a liar, and i trust in the Church’s judgement. also im finding that the messages are in cooperation with the Gospel.
so i think Our Ladys concerns about freemasonry deserve a bit of credit.

also i hear that fr Gobbi suffered a heart attack on fathers day, and isnt doing well, so please pray he makes a complete recovery, and for all his intentions.
 
My Great Grandfather was a mason. I participated in Masonic based youth organizations when I was not sure where my faith was taking me. I was a patient at the Shriners Hospitals for children.

I understand that affiliation with these groups is punishable by excommunication, but if these orders are not worshiping the devil, and are trying to improve the spiritual and charitable actions of these people, how is it our responsibility to judge their actions.

I think that it is important that we remember as catholics it is not our responsibility to judge others. We will all have to atone to our actions at some point. Hate the sin, not the sinner, and pray for the sinner’s soul.
 
My Great Grandfather was a mason. I participated in Masonic based youth organizations when I was not sure where my faith was taking me. I was a patient at the Shriners Hospitals for children.

I understand that affiliation with these groups is punishable by excommunication, but if these orders are not worshiping the devil, and are trying to improve the spiritual and charitable actions of these people, how is it our responsibility to judge their actions.

I think that it is important that we remember as catholics it is not our responsibility to judge others. We will all have to atone to our actions at some point. Hate the sin, not the sinner, and pray for the sinner’s soul.
This is why I have been trying to inform others as to why the Church actually forbids membership in these organizations. So many people are apt to spread misinformation around, but also conspiracy theories which have no basis in fact. Spreading misinformation is not good.

By informing people based on actual facts, that is doing as you say… not judging.

If you haven’t read this part of the topic, then please make an effort to do so.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=8036622&postcount=8

Remember, one cannot serve two masters, and the end does not justify the means.

But if this information is not satisfactory an explanation, then I must ask you a question.

How is this judging their actions?
 
Interesting article today.

What the Pope fears:

(1) The secularization within the Church;

(2) The peaceful invasion of Europe by Islam;

(3) The ever-greater control — and the next words are within quotation marks, meaning Margheriti Mastino is presenting these words as an exact quotation of what Cardinal Canizares said to him — “of freemasonry on the cultural level and of the centers of power of the European Union.”

(emphasis mine)

catholiclane.com/what-the-pope-fears/
 
Interesting article today.

What the Pope fears:

(1) The secularization within the Church;

(2) The peaceful invasion of Europe by Islam;

(3) The ever-greater control — and the next words are within quotation marks, meaning Margheriti Mastino is presenting these words as an exact quotation of what Cardinal Canizares said to him — “of freemasonry on the cultural level and of the centers of power of the European Union.”

(emphasis mine)

catholiclane.com/what-the-pope-fears/
I am not a freemason and neither, I imagine, are the Pope or Cardinal Canizares. So we’re not experts. But, come now, is anyone really conscious of “the ever greater control of…freemasonry”? As I’ve mentioned, I’ve come across one or two examples of possible “dirty work at the cross roads”, where I suspect freemasonry has been involved, but “control”? Surely not? I’m not aware of it. Is anyone here? If so, can they please be specific.

I don’t want to give offence to any Mason here, but I once heard them described as “the mafia of mediocrity”: clubbable men who meet together to spout gobbledegook, wear funny clothes, perform arcane rituals and help each other out. I very much doubt if they have any “control” agenda.
 
I am not a freemason and neither, I imagine, are the Pope or Cardinal Canizares. So we’re not experts. But, come now, is anyone really conscious of “the ever greater control of…freemasonry”? As I’ve mentioned, I’ve come across one or two examples of possible “dirty work at the cross roads”, where I suspect freemasonry has been involved, but “control”? Surely not? I’m not aware of it. Is anyone here? If so, can they please be specific.

I don’t want to give offence to any Mason here, but I once heard them described as “the mafia of mediocrity”: clubbable men who meet together to spout gobbledegook, wear funny clothes, perform arcane rituals and help each other out. I very much doubt if they have any “control” agenda.
Perhaps the Pope and his Bishops know better then you.
Frankly, if it concerns the Pope, then I trust him over what a poster on a forum says is no big deal. Nothing personal.
 
Perhaps the Pope and his Bishops know better then you.
Frankly, if it concerns the Pope, then I trust him over what a poster on a forum says is no big deal. Nothing personal.
If it really concerned the Pope, one would think his official press office would say something. Not a quote of a quote on a single Italian blog. I can’t find any other sources that verify the claim of that one blog. Were you able to find a corroborating statement from someone else?
 
While the link about the Pope’s recent remarks may not be reliable, there are many Catholic books (which are written by reliable authors) cataloging the influence of Freemasonry in politics. It’s not uncommon to find information mentioning a concern or warning about masonry. I mention this, because many people seem surprised to hear a historian, Priest, Bishop, or Pope talking about a negative influence on politics by Freemasons.

Here is an example of two texts speaking of the same incident:

Blood Drenched Altars By: Most Rev. Francis Kelly

This book is pivotal to understanding Mexico! Shows how Catholic Spain during 300 years–1521-1821–formed Mexico and made her prosperous and happy, but how the great Masonic Revolution (1821-1928) has made her poor and miserable. Shows that Mexico is still basically Catholic (97%) but is ruled by an anti-Catholic government. Full of insights and crucial to understanding Mexico. 502 Pp. PB.

tanbooks.com/index.php/page/shop:flypage/product_id/271/
From Arise from Darkness by Fr. Benedict Groeschel pg 141:
But Somehow the government of Mexico, a land that is 95 percent Catholic, for a hundred years perpetrated the most viscous and cruel persecution of the Catholic Church, abetted, I’m sorry to tell you, by the American government. The United States was in many ways an accomplice of that persecution, which was led by a particularly virulent form of anti-Catholic and anti-religious Free Masonry, which was introduced into Mexico by an American ambassador in the last century.
Btw, both of these priests are well known and respected authors.
 
maybe a solution would be to find examples of blasphemous or sacreligious advertising, or anti-christian values being pushed through media etc and trace it back to the people in charge and see if they are in fact involved in freemasonry.

Not for the sake of persecution but to kind of shine the spotlight on people who are are deliberately working, in the shadows, for the decay of morality and the ruin of souls, so they wont be able to so effectively deceive people.
And also to proove the authenticity of Our Heavenly Mothers concerns.

“If the red dragon is marxist atheism, the black beast is freemasonry. the dragon manifest himself in the force of his power; the black beast on the other hand, acts in the shadows, keeps out of sight and hides himself in such a way as to enter in everywhere”

But any kind of action like the one i mentioned would need to be carried out by responsible people, to avoid the persecution and slander of innocents.
 
Prudence may suggest that the internet is not a good place to be discussing such things at the moment.
 
Perhaps the Pope and his Bishops know better then you.
Frankly, if it concerns the Pope, then I trust him over what a poster on a forum says is no big deal. Nothing personal.
Well, the Pope and his Bishops are not above pontificating on things about which they have no experience. I wonder when he last, if ever, knowingly met a freemason. As I say, I’m not one, I’ve never been one, nor am I particularly sympathetic too them. I dislike the secrecy, I am uncomfortable that on occasions they seem to be underhand (and I have examples). But I really don’t see them as part of a world-wide conspiracy or anti-Christian threat. Do we honestly think there’s a tiny knot of men somewhere hatching anti-catholic initiatives?

There are greater challenges, certainly here in England: militant “new atheism” and secularism for a strart. I am also unhappy about various aspects of hard-line Protestant fundamentalism. And in nearby Scotland and the north of Ireland we still have shocking examples of sectarianism, “the work of the Devil”. These are surely more worrying than 21st century freemasonry?
 
Well, the Pope and his Bishops are not above pontificating on things about which they have no experience. I wonder when he last, if ever, knowingly met a freemason. As I say, I’m not one, I’ve never been one, nor am I particularly sympathetic too them. I dislike the secrecy, I am uncomfortable that on occasions they seem to be underhand (and I have examples). But I really don’t see them as part of a world-wide conspiracy or anti-Christian threat. Do we honestly think there’s a tiny knot of men somewhere hatching anti-catholic initiatives?

There are greater challenges, certainly here in England: militant “new atheism” and secularism for a strart. I am also unhappy about various aspects of hard-line Protestant fundamentalism. And in nearby Scotland and the north of Ireland we still have shocking examples of sectarianism, “the work of the Devil”. These are surely more worrying than 21st century freemasonry?
The Pinnacle of mans hubris is demonstrated clearly in two passages: the Fall of Mankind, and also in the time of the Tower of Babel. What is this sin? Could it be wanting to be like God, or to build Heaven on Earth, yet at the same time deny the Lord God of Heaven and Earth? What is secular humanism, and who coined the term “scientific dictatorship”(hint his grandfather helped justify population control measures before the U.N)? “For the love of money is the root of every sort of evil.” The unfinished pyramid on the dollar bill, could it be that Tower? It is that unfinished great work. What happened during the “enlightenment” of the French Revolution? Ever heard about the Festival of Reason, or the Apotheosis of Washington? Many dots…inextricably connected.
 
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