concerns about freemasonry

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Brian_H said:
I’m a former Marine, I fought for this country and I believe in the First Amendment. If you don’t have any respect for freedom or the U.S. Constitution then GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY! I won’t let any fanatical religion create a theocracy in my country, whether it be Muslims trying to impose Sharia Law, evangelical fundamentalists, or the Catholic Church.
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As a former Marine and a Catholic myself I am very disappointed in your apparent stubborn unwillingness to let go of Freemasonry despite the evidence presented to you in this forum. Even more troubling is your all-encompassing belief in the 1st Ammendment even if areas of it go against the teachings of the Catholic church. I think your priorities and focus have become misguided by the allure of relativism. I have fought for my country and love it very much but I will never put that in front of my Catholic faith. Remember it’s “God, Family, Country, Corps”. There is no other acceptable order.
 
Brian_H said:
Hi gang,

I’ve got good news, this “cafeteria” Catholic is heading for the door, so long, I’ll try not to let it hit me in the backside on my way out. 😃
You “traditional” Catholics with all your hate, intolerance, and judgment are free to fix all the problems caused by us “cafeteria” Catholics in the last 40 years. So you enjoy yourself, I’m sure mass attendance and vocations will sky rocket after were gone. Just ask Michael Voris, your mouthpiece. But in 40 years, after the “traditional” Catholics are through destroying the Church and running it into the ground, please, don’t ask me to come back.

Peace 🙂
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I can’t beleive you didn’t flee sooner to be honest. But could you answer my question before you leave, or is it because you cannot answer it why you have left?
 
marine13 said:
As a former Marine and a Catholic myself I am very disappointed in your apparent stubborn unwillingness to let go of Freemasonry despite the evidence presented to you in this forum. Even more troubling is your all-encompassing belief in the 1st Ammendment even if areas of it go against the teachings of the Catholic church. I think your priorities and focus have become misguided by the allure of relativism. I have fought for my country and love it very much but I will never put that in front of my Catholic faith. Remember it’s “God, Family, Country, Corps”. There is no other acceptable order.
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Brian_H said:
Hi gang,

I’ve got good news, this “cafeteria” Catholic is heading for the door, so long, I’ll try not to let it hit me in the backside on my way out. 😃
You “traditional” Catholics with all your hate, intolerance, and judgment are free to fix all the problems caused by us “cafeteria” Catholics in the last 40 years. So you enjoy yourself, I’m sure mass attendance and vocations will sky rocket after were gone. Just ask Michael Voris, your mouthpiece. But in 40 years, after the “traditional” Catholics are through destroying the Church and running it into the ground, please, don’t ask me to come back.

Peace 🙂
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Here is where I am quite confused. My FIL hates Catholic’s but I pray for that Man and have since the day he died. How can that be Hate. Many People and half of my family now in marriage are protestants and many in this group. I love them, and they Love me. We just disagree. But where is my hate for them?🤷
 
Brian_H said:
Hi gang,

I’ve got good news, this “cafeteria” Catholic is heading for the door, so long, I’ll try not to let it hit me in the backside on my way out. 😃
You “traditional” Catholics with all your hate, intolerance, and judgment are free to fix all the problems caused by us “cafeteria” Catholics in the last 40 years. So you enjoy yourself, I’m sure mass attendance and vocations will sky rocket after were gone. Just ask Michael Voris, your mouthpiece. But in 40 years, after the “traditional” Catholics are through destroying the Church and running it into the ground, please, don’t ask me to come back.

Peace 🙂
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With all due respect, Brian, it is not a good thing that you let your Faith in the Church be challenged by an internet forum, no matter what the dispute was or is. It makes me wonder, really, if you are in the real world, outside the internet, a Catholic, or if you were just trying to bait the forum with comments like “But in 40 years, after the “traditional” Catholics are through destroying the Church and running it into the ground, please, don’t ask me to come back.” Personally, I suspect you were baiting the forum, because I, and many others who responded to you, are not ‘traditional’ Catholics as you allege.

That said, one does not have to be a ‘traditional’ Catholic to deny the spurious and erroneous charges you cite against the Church, such as:
The Catholic Church has given us the dark ages, the crusades, the inquisition, murder of dissenters, murder of native americans, intolerance, hatred of the jews, hatred of homosexuals, misogyny, a lavish lifestyle for an elite class of clerics, suppression of knowledge and science, the systematic rape of children, and the systematic protection of rapists. I don’t think you could get any further from the message of Jesus, so the only thing that surprises me is that you can claim this is Christ’s Church and manage to do it with a straight face.
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Frankly, not to be uncharitable but I think it is called for under the circumstances, I think that a) you really have no Masonic experience either positive or negative and b) you are not a Catholic. I think, most probably (especially given your last rant), you are a fairly common internet anti-Catholic. No shortage of them.

Peace.
 
Hi gang,

I’ll make one more reply and then I’m done with wasting my time on here. I see no purpose in citing facts, because when I do cite facts which are objectively verifiable, they are dismissed as lies, so why waste my time.

To Marine13, you took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, the supreme law of the land. From what you said, you did not mean that oath and in my opinion anyone that takes an oath and doesn’t mean it lacks any honor or integrity.

To TevereNauta, I am, as of today, a former Catholic, but there are more reasons than this forum for that decision. If you need to disregard objectively verifiable facts to maintain your faith, that is your issue, not mine.

To Rinnie, I think you know that it is ridiculous and illogical to say that just because one person in a masonic lodge didn’t like Catholics it was because of the masonic lodge and that all masons hold the same prejudice.

Peace gang 🙂
 
I am sorry to see you go Brian. It would have been nice to discuss some of the reasons you are leaving the Church. You will be in my prayers.
 
Brian,

It seems like you are going through a rough time right now, spiritually speaking, and that Freemasonry is just the tip of your iceberg. If you hold the Constitution of the United States on a higher level than the Gospel, then I truly worry for you.

Of course, if you need to disregard objectively verifiable facts to deny your faith, that is your issue, not mine, but rest assured that I will keep you in my prayers. I’ve had rough times with my Faith too, but by the Grace of God and prayers of the Faithful I found the good road once more.

God Bless you.
 
Brian_H said:
To Marine13, you took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, the supreme law of the land. From what you said, you did not mean that oath and in my opinion anyone that takes an oath and doesn’t mean it lacks any honor or integrity.

Peace gang 🙂
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I don’t know if you will respond to this but exactly how does my wish to remain faithful to the Catholic Church’s teachings over the US Constitution make me lacking in honor and integrity? I will defend other people’s right to choose their own path according to the 1st ammendment as they have God’s gift of free will but if it goes against the teachings of the Church I will not fail to voice my objections first.

Thank you for your ill-attempted insult as it truely made me laugh.
 
Brian_H said:
Hi gang,

I’ll make one more reply and then I’m done with wasting my time on here. I see no purpose in citing facts, because when I do cite facts which are objectively verifiable, they are dismissed as lies, so why waste my time.

To Marine13, you took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, the supreme law of the land. From what you said, you did not mean that oath and in my opinion anyone that takes an oath and doesn’t mean it lacks any honor or integrity.

To TevereNauta, I am, as of today, a former Catholic, but there are more reasons than this forum for that decision. If you need to disregard objectively verifiable facts to maintain your faith, that is your issue, not mine.

To Rinnie, I think you know that it is ridiculous and illogical to say that just because one person in a masonic lodge didn’t like Catholics it was because of the masonic lodge and that all masons hold the same prejudice.

Peace gang 🙂
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Lol @ facts. Brian H you make me laugh man 😃
You say they are objectively verifiable but don’t give objectively verifiable sources. No wise person would ever take the word of one man, who is not an objectively verifiable source of information, over that of the Pope on matters of faith and morals (or anything else for that matter). One would have to be a lunatic to do so.

With regards to you wasting your time…clearly you have done that in buying into all the lies about the Catholic Church and Freemasonry that you have read or heard about from your subjectively unverifiable sources.

When you get your head straight you can come back to the church. She and we will be waiting with open arms. But don’t flatter us by saying that our Church’s teachings are unpopular on one hand then say that this is not the Church that Jesus built on the other. That is a lie and you are being again a stranger to the truth.

Peace 😉

See you before it’s too late.
 
Brian_H said:
Hi gang,

I’ll make one more reply and then I’m done with wasting my time on here. I see no purpose in citing facts, because when I do cite facts which are objectively verifiable, they are dismissed as lies, so why waste my time.

To Marine13, you took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, the supreme law of the land. From what you said, you did not mean that oath and in my opinion anyone that takes an oath and doesn’t mean it lacks any honor or integrity.

To TevereNauta, I am, as of today, a former Catholic, but there are more reasons than this forum for that decision. If you need to disregard objectively verifiable facts to maintain your faith, that is your issue, not mine.

To Rinnie, I think you know that it is ridiculous and illogical to say that just because one person in a masonic lodge didn’t like Catholics it was because of the masonic lodge and that all masons hold the same prejudice.

Peace gang 🙂
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I would rather you go to confession and stay put. But if you continue to be an apologist for freemasonry, there would be no sense in calling yourself Catholic.

Freemasonry is not compatible with Catholicism. that’s just how it is.

Please reconsider brother.
 
I hope that door hits BrianH in the head and maybe knock sense into him. I hope he finds a new faith perhaps one that gives him guaranteed salvation. LOL. The Church says no, that’s all I need, let’s move on!👍
 
rinnie said:
Do any of you guys actually KNOW what freemasonry rules are. First I was told you must be a Christian. Okay is a Jew a Christian? NO they reject Christ.

Then I was told you must believe in GOD, okay I said I was told you must believe in a higher being, I was told NO, just God.

Now you just said God or a Supreme being, same thing as higher being. There you have it guys.

If this man IS telling us the truth. you must believe in a supreme being, The devil CAN be a supreme being for someone. There you have it the TRUTH according to the Pope, you cannot believe in a supreme being, that could be anyone.
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My goodness rinnie, I think your so confused. Freemasonry here in the United States (unless its some clandestine or wanna-be group) is open to any adult male. The only requirement is that you profess a belief in God or a Supreme being. Go to the mainstream (recognized) Masonic website(s) and look under their f.a.q. sections. All your questions will be answered.

Freemasonry does not tell you who believe in, whatever your religious convictions are is none of our business.
 
In my home state, the requirements are belief in God, being at least 21 years old, and having a good reputation. It is a breach of lodge rules to discuss sectarian religious issues or particular systems of belief. Candidates are told that the lodge offers no plan of salvation.
 
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