Confirmed: Obama, Romney to attend Al Smith dinner [CWN]

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Prodigal_Son1 said:
And the other candidate’s faith teaches that the Catholic Church’s priesthood, and it’s entire hierarchy, is invalid since the great apostasy of around 2000 years ago.
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This major Mormon doctrinal position, I think, outweighs one night’s social gathering by the Cardinal.
 
HLI President Responds to Invitation of President Obama to Al Smith Dinner
Human Life International (HLI) President Father Shenan J. Boquet released the following statement today in response to news that President Obama was extended an invitation to the Al Smith dinner and fundraiser for Catholic charitable institutions taking place in New York on October 18, 2012:
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“As faithful Catholics, we cannot set aside our deeply-held differences and put in any place of honor those who continuously attack the tenants of our faith, and even our very ability to practice that faith. We cannot pretend for one moment that such an honor at any function promoting the work of the Church doesn’t give legitimacy to their position while harming the Catholic Church’s image and the perceptions of those looking for guidance from our bishops and Church leaders.
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“The Catholic Church in the United States is facing greater persecution from our government than at any time in recent history. Political figures who actively seek to undermine the Catholic Church, especially in her work to protect life, promote family values, and to freely live our faith, should not be afforded a public platform by Catholic organizations, foundations, charities, events, etc., even if that’s not the intention. The need to show unwavering commitment to the Church’s teaching is greatly needed and must be safeguarded so as not to cause confusion, a potential scandal, or give any semblance of support or endorsement.”
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We would love to have your support and signatures on our petition at the offical Al Smith Scandal Website: alsmithscandal.com/signthepetition/

Stop in and sign and/or just read what others who have signed it have said. Email Cardinal Dolan directly from our website. Most important pray for the Cardinal.

Blessings and Shalom.
 
JimG said:
A lot of people will be affected when Catholic Charities closes down.
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They won’t close down because of the mandate.

We have the mandate here in Massachusetts. Catholic Charities still exist.

Fact is, removing the mandate wouldn’t change premiums, because the cost of birth control is less than pregnancy and child birth.

Heck, from an economical point of view, the insurance companies would probably raise the premiums if the mandate was removed, because they’d fear being faced with paying for more pregnancies and childbirths, which far out cost contraception.

Not justifying contraception here, just point out the economics from an business point of view.

Jim
 
JimG said:
A lot of people will be affected when Catholic Charities closes down.
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Yes, but what does that matter to the self-righteous who have made their point if the Cardinal disinvites Obama and Romney?
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Yes, but what does that matter to the self-righteous who have made their point if the Cardinal disinvites Obama and Romney?
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I’ve already asked you once to please stop this. I will ask you again, please stop. Those of us who want a disinvitation will not be satisfied with simply that, and of course it matters to us if Catholic Charities shuts down!!! That’s the whole point is to strengthen the Churches opposition to such measures, make a statement to unify the laity against the policy, and be able to fight this thing.

God bless.

-Paul
 
JimR-OCDS said:
They won’t close down because of the mandate.

We have the mandate here in Massachusetts. Catholic Charities still exist.

Fact is, removing the mandate wouldn’t change premiums, because the cost of birth control is less than pregnancy and child birth.

Heck, from an economical point of view, the insurance companies would probably raise the premiums if the mandate was removed, because they’d fear being faced with paying for more pregnancies and childbirths, which far out cost contraception.

Not justifying contraception here, just point out the economics from an business point of view.

Jim
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You don’t have the Federal HHS mandate, at least, not until now.

I suppose it should be no big deal for Catholic institutions such as charities and hospitals and schools. All they have to do is reject their Faith, keep their Faith and pay a fine, or shut down. No problem, right?
 
Tarpeian_Rock said:
As well as an Obama commercial in which he’s pictured with Cardinal Dolan – to the confusion of the faithful, which is exactly Obama’s purpose.
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This could be a stumbling block for all catholics, caffeteria or otherwise with the spin that can be applied to photo ops by supr pacs etc. Just saying:D
 
PJD1987 said:
I’ve already asked you once to please stop this. I will ask you again, please stop.
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Have I violated a Forum rule? If not, then I’m entitled to my opinion - as you are to yours.
Those of us who want a disinvitation will not be satisfied with simply that
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Why am I not surprised?,
of course it matters to us if Catholic Charities shuts down!!!
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Thanks for the concession. That’s good! 🙂
 
The best way to ensure that Catholic Charities does NOT shut down is to revoke the HHS mandate.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Have I violated a Forum rule? If not, then I’m entitled to my opinion - as you are to yours.

Why am I not surprised?,

Thanks for the concession. That’s good! 🙂
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You certainly have not been particularly charitable in your debate. You are entitled to your opinion, but you are implying the sin of detraction by us simply voicing ours, which is an unfair mischaracterization of the motives and points we are making.

This comment “Why am I not surprised?”, that type of sarcastic comment certainly is not charitable and implies that I want something “more” than the defense of the Church.

I’ve made no concession. I’ve simply stated the same things I and others have already been stating. We see this invitation as part of the problem that could lead to an easier justification of policies that will ultimately shut down Catholic Charities and other Catholic-owned businesses. Why you seemingly refuse to see this connection and instead separate the two and continue to accuse us of unfair criticism and bad intentions is beyond me.

God bless.

-Paul
 
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