Confirmed: Obama, Romney to attend Al Smith dinner [CWN]

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JimG said:
The best way to ensure that Catholic Charities does NOT shut down is to revoke the HHS mandate.
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And implicit approval of it by inviting the President to the dinner undercuts our entire fight against the mandate, sends a mixed message and hurts our ability to take a unified stance against it.

God bless.

-Paul
 
I don’t like the idea of Obama and Romney being invited but I do trust His Eminence that he knows what he is doing.
 
JimG said:
You don’t have the Federal HHS mandate, at least, not until now.

I suppose it should be no big deal for Catholic institutions such as charities and hospitals and schools. All they have to do is reject their Faith, keep their Faith and pay a fine, or shut down. No problem, right?
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I live in Massachusetts with Romney Care. All the health insurance companies must cover, contraceptives, and even abortion.

None of the Catholic Charities closed because of it. They buy health insurance from the private insurance companies licensed to business in the state.

Same goes for the dioceses. They too buy health insurance from the same health insurance companies as every one else does.

Jim
 
Holly3278 said:
I don’t like the idea of Obama and Romney being invited but I do trust His Eminence that he knows what he is doing.
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:thumbsup:Holly
After some more thought I have concluded, this is really something ! In fact is divinely inspired. I am sure Bishop Dolan prayed over this, aware of the past dinners,who was and who was not invited.

Will Obamma and Romney be able to stay away from there opposing views ignoring politics just 3wks before election ? Even as comedians.🤷

The Bonds of Charity: What is the mark of love for your Neighbor ? Not to seek what is for your own benefit, but what is for the benefit of the one loved,both in body and soul.
St.Basil the Great.

God Bless All
onenow1
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Thinking about the secular aspect of this discussion, particularly a candidate being viewed as a ‘persecutor of the Church’, I have to wonder how either candidate is considered otherwise. While one openly disagrees with doctrinal issues, the others faith teaches that Christ is the spirit brother to Satan, Mary’s conception was less than immaculate, and the Catholic Church is an apostate Church since the original Church suffered a great apostasy. That’s just a few of what the other candidate’s faith teaches, yet this is not considered one to be a form of ‘persecuting’ our Church?

To hold the Cardinal accountable for one invitation over another, with the above thought in mind, seems to indicate a political motivation.
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Strawman.

Romney is not forcing any church to accept his religion or go against their own doctorine/dogma.
 
ComputerGeek25 said:
Strawman.

Romney is not forcing any church to accept his religion or go against their own doctorine/dogma.
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At the dinner, neither Romney nor Obama is going to suggest that a church accept their respective religions. But, we can expect corny jokes to accompany the corned beef! 🙂
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
At the dinner, neither Romney nor Obama is going to suggest that a church accept their respective religions. But, we can expect corny jokes to accompany the corned beef! 🙂
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I would not want to joke with somebody who defends abortion slaughterhouses; who voted against a bill 3 times that would force doctors help babies who have survived abortion; who wants millions of people to be forced to pay for drugs they consider morally objectionable; who supports redefining marriage. If he wants to do at that a fundraiser or campaign event that is his prerogative but he should not get a platform that is associated with Catholics
 
_Abyssinia said:
I would not want to joke with somebody who defends abortion slaughterhouses; who voted against a bill 3 times that would force doctors help babies who have survived abortion; who wants millions of people to be forced to pay for drugs they consider morally objectionable; who supports redefining marriage. If he wants to do at that a fundraiser or campaign event that is his prerogative but he should not get a platform that is associated with Catholics
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Hanging crepe, are you? 😉
 
ComputerGeek25 said:
Strawman.

Romney is not forcing any church to accept his religion or go against their own doctorine/dogma.
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However, the discussion is referencing the Cardinal’s decision to invite both candidates and the objections are because of a persecution of the Church. Both candidates, in one way or another persecute the Church.
 
American Life League: No Dinner for Obama
Outraged by the Alfred E. Smith Foundation and Cardinal Dolan’s recent invitation of President Obama to a premier Catholic charity fundraiser, Judie Brown, president of American Life League, issued the following statement:

Why is a renowned Catholic charity hosting Obama in a year when he has clearly made God, the Church and his people targets? What is the message to Catholics in particular and Americans in general? The stakes are high, and surely this is not the time for confusion in perception.
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This invitation gives the appearance of camaraderie with a president whose actions and policies are no less hostile than Roman Emperor Decius who tried to root out the Christian religion by issuing an edict ordering all citizens to worship the state gods or face dire consequences.
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We cannot fight the good fight for religious freedom on one hand, and then laugh and break bread on the other with the enemy because it is political tradition or socially convenient. We were taught in church that we are under moral obligation to voice our discontent when acts conflict with our teachings.
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As such, we urge all Catholics to voice their outrage by putting the “No Dinner for Obama” appeal card in their collection baskets. Send a clear message to President Obama and Cardinal Dolan- this is not business as usual. Religious freedom has to be respected. We, the Church body, say- No Dinner for Obama.
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Action: Visit (link
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) for more information and instructions on the “Defend the Faith-No Dinner for Obama Appeal.

canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/48681
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
However, the discussion is referencing the Cardinal’s decision to invite both candidates and the objections are because of a persecution of the Church. Both candidates, in one way or another persecute the Church.
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How does Romney persecute the church?
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
However, the discussion is referencing the Cardinal’s decision to invite both candidates and the objections are because of a persecution of the Church. Both candidates, in one way or another persecute the Church.
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Holding a different faith is not tantamount to putting in place policies that disrespect another’s religion and force them to go against their consciences and their faith. Despite holding a faith that believes in a Great Apostasy, there is no policy that Romney has advocated, nor any evidence that he would introduce a policy that would deprive Catholics of their right of freedom of religion. Thus, as has been stated many times before in this thread, this is not an appropriate comparison to make and holds no water.

God bless.

-Paul
 
When one’s faith holds that the Catholic Church is an apostate Church, and all Her priests are invalid, including the Pope, it’s a persecution; no matter how you brush it.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
When one’s faith holds that the Catholic Church is an apostate Church, and all Her priests are invalid, including the Pope, it’s a persecution; no matter how you brush it.
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No it isn’t. If he leaves me and my faith alone, then his personal beliefs or opinion of mine do not persecute me in the least.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
When one’s faith holds that the Catholic Church is an apostate Church, and all Her priests are invalid, including the Pope, it’s a persecution; no matter how you brush it.
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👍 If Obama held the same beliefs, this Forum would be all over him for his anti-Catholicism. So, him yes, but Romney no?
 
Bill_Martin said:
No it isn’t. If he leaves me and my faith alone, then his personal beliefs or opinion of mine do not persecute me in the least.
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I disagree, but am not viewing this through the political eye. I won’t vote for either.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Does Ms. Brown’s authority override the Cardinal’s authority in the Church?
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Disagreement is allowed on this issue. Fr Shenan Boquet and Fr Pavone have expressed their disagreement with the invitation of Obama and they are priests
 
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