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Please understand it’s not a political problem . It’s his person not positions.
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Yes, but people who support him generally do so because of his politics, not because of his private life. You seem to be assuming that everyone who votes for Trump must necessarily be expressing approval of everything he has ever said and done as a private citizen. But that’s not how it works. Back in July 2016 some people were already saying that whoever won the election that year would be the worst president the United States had ever had. They went ahead and voted for Trump because they thought Hillary Clinton would be even worse, but for political considerations, not because of her private life.
 
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So. The same group that was called the “moral majority” would now vote based on political concerns? We don’t know by their fruit? See that’s the problem I have. We as Christians seem to be much more forgiving of a Republican than we would be of a Democrat. To me character is important and would like to think Christians would more than my secular friends in any case. We look pretty hypocritical to the secular folks in our over whelming support of Trump. Spin it however we want.
 
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Ralph said:
The same group that was called the “moral majority” would now vote based on political concerns?
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Of course. Voting is all about what you call “political concerns.” You’re picking someone to do a job in the world of politics.
 
So that gets back to the post I made that I was called intolerant for. Politics is eveything. Someone’s character doesn’t matter. I being naive thought that character should matter when it seems so bad when it comes to Trump. Hillary, who I didn’t support, was bombarded with criticism about emails. We don’t demand the same scrutiny with Trump. It’s called fake news and conspiracy. Still say it’s double standard.
 
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Hillary, who I didn’t support, was bombarded with criticism about emails.
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As I see it, the emails issue was not about character, it was about politics. It was about the right way and the wrong way to conduct government business.
 
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So I’m assuming we as Christians support how Trump is conducting government business? Please.
 
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Compared with whom? That’s the point we keep coming back to.
 
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With Hillary in 2016, and this year with Biden. But there’s no “in general”. It can only be one or the other of those two. That’s the choice we’ve been given.
 
I think Trump is operating like his buddy Putin. If Trump were a Democrat I would say the same thing. Remember what goes around comes around. Accepting it here we live with it. As a viet era veteran I would not serve under this president.
 
I didn’t vote for Trump in 2016 (voted 3rd party) and I won’t vote for him in 2020 either.

That said - as someone with a father who grew up Jewish and half my relatives being Jewish and coming from Europe, I have to say the comparison to Hitler is not only outrageous but offensive to the Jewish population.

I am definitely not a fan of Trump but I will acknowledge good things he has done when he does them (even if in my opinion they are few) and I certainly will not bash him more than I feel is warranted and the comparison to Hitler is just off the walls.

I get you said you didn’t mean it as a direct comparison but it’s not even something to joke about or suggest. 7 million innocent people murdered by the hateful ideology one man created cannot ever be compared to someone else and expect us to take that person seriously.

I find it very hypocritical that so many Christians (keep in mind it’s mainly southern evangelicals) voted and support Trump but if I went around comparing Trump to Hitler in an effort to have people stop supporting him… I know I’d instantly lose any credibility I once had.
 
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Your comment . . . doesn’t even need a response. Like we’re to reject and ignore the people we should be trying to reach out to with the gospel. Our looking like hypocrites to them is a problem. . . .
 
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I understand my reference to Hitler set off a fire storm. It was a rhetorical question. I also said I maybe should have not used it. Having said that I think the comment has been met by an equal overreaction. I detest what Hitler did and I also detest how he duped people into thinking it was okay. Many wonder why the Church waited so long to condemn it. Further more, Trump has appeased the Christians , I believe, with Supreme Court appointments. Do I think he really cares that much? No. Further I think he wants to operate more like his friend Putin than a president of a democracy.
 
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Our looking like hypocrites to them is a problem.
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And I say it doesn’t matter how we “look”.
It matters how we “are”. It matters that we keep our eyes fixed on Jesus, that we serve our fellow man selflessly, that we care for the poor and marginalized and voiceless.

But to go chasing after the people who have decided to hate us, who minds are made up and do not want to be confused with facts, so run after these people begging “please approve of us”…

No way.

Jesus never begged people to love Him and understand Him. He did the will of His Father and let the chip fall where they may.
 
If Hitler were like donald trump then Germany would have had a good leader.

So tired of this.

As a Catholic I think Trump is a better option than any other. And I’m proud of my president. If someone thinks that somehow lessens my state of grace or my friendship with God and the Church then introspection is warranted but not on my part.
 
I think we all have to decide for ourselves who we feel comfortable voting for. It is a personal moral decision which we should think about deeply before doing. The Church has never said a Catholic must vote Republican or Democrat. The Church has never said a Catholic must vote for or against Trump.

These are personal decisions which each of us have to make. As such, I personally do not feel morally comfortable voting for Trump but I did not feel morally comfortable voting for Hillary either (as I said I voted 3rd party). But I am not going to shun someone who feels morally comfortable voting for Trump, that is their decision and there’s alone.

I will give Trump credit when it is due, and I will call out Trump when I find it is warranted.
 
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It in no way lessens your state of grace, friendship with God or the Church. While you and I disagree about Trump it doesn’t change God or our relationship with Him or spiritually out relationship to each other. I hope my comments didn’t imply that in any way. A little background. I grew up in a faithless family. My parents and my brothers ,while not believers, provided a very loving and compassionate environment. They frankly exhibited Christian values.My father past away when I was turning sixteen. This began my search for God. My first real encounter with church and churched people was when I was in the Navy. I pray for my now deceased parents. My brothers now 83 and 80 years old I also pray for daily. Let me assure the previous poster my “secular family” doesn’t hate Christians any more than Christians hate them but Christian support for Trump is one of several arguments they have with the church. My concern is for their souls and the souls of others and removing any barriers we can. Admittedly I disagree with many of you on Trump. No I’m not proud of him. Wasn’t proud of Clinton.
 
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