Conservative Cardinal [Burke] Who Clashed With Pope Francis Confirms He Has Been Ousted

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I guess this would hurt his chances of ever becoming Pope. 😦

It’s going to take some time to recover from this week, hopefully Burke’s recent book will help.
 
I like Cardinal Burke a lot. But there MIGHT be more to this that we don’t know.

Let’s remember, he was removed as Archbishop of St Louis by Pope Benedict. Cardinal - Deacons are lower than Cardinal - Priests. All Bishops of a Diocese who become a Cardinal start as Cardinal Priest, not Cardinal Deacon like Burke.

He was relatively young when he left St Louis and wasn’t given a larger Archdiocese by Pope Benidect.

I like him very much, and I think his views are usually spot on. But PERHAPS he isn’t a good administrator…? Not all intelligent, smart, and usually correct people are good at leading people (even in the Church).

So before panicing, let’s keep in mind that there is two sides of every story, but we will NEVER know why both Pope Benidect and Pope Francis have reassigned Cardinal Burke.

Again, I think he’s great and I respect him a lot. But perhaps he isn’t a good administrator?

Food for thought.
 
DaddyGirl said:
Do we know why he was ousted?
Does the Pope decide on such demotions himself?
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As I understand it, Cardinal Burke was (or is about to be) ousted because he has made a habit of defiantly “correcting” the Pope’s more liberal statements in extremely public venues, strongly implying that Pope Francis is leading the church in the wrong direction, vindictively attacking other bishops he disagrees with, feeding conservative panic, and being generally abrasive. He is defiantly conservative in a church that is now trying to regain traction in the real world by including liberals as well as conservatives.

By and large, Pope Francis does decide on such demotions himself, and has demoted and promoted several clerical and non-clerical officials, sending very clear signals about resisting the tides of necessary change.

*Edit: However, I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up with an unexpected post–Malta may be where he ends up, but nothing is official yet. Didn’t Pope Francis surprise everyone by promoting someone everyone expected he would demote?
 
livingwordunity said:
Isn’t the end result of this synod going to not be considered infallible by the Church’s standards for infallible teaching?
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Synods are like brainstorming sessions. I was involved in one aspect (3 days) of a synod regarding the “New Evangelisation” in 2003 as one representative from my Parish. It’s not like a political campaign as in everyone lobbying for their agenda… It’s more like throwing your ideas into the melting pot with faith in the Holy Spirits inspiration for direction.
 
1newcatholic said:
As I understand it, Cardinal Burke was (or is about to be) ousted because he has made a habit of defiantly “correcting” the Pope’s more liberal statements in extremely public venues, strongly implying that Pope Francis is leading the church in the wrong direction, vindictively attacking other bishops he disagrees with, feeding conservative panic, and being generally abrasive. He is defiantly conservative in a church that is now trying to regain traction in the real world by including liberals as well as conservatives.

By and large, Pope Francis does decide on such demotions himself, and has demoted and promoted several clerical and non-clerical officials, sending very clear signals about resisting the tides of necessary change.

*Edit: However, I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up with an unexpected post–Malta may be where he ends up, but nothing is official yet. Didn’t Pope Francis surprise everyone by promoting someone everyone expected he would demote?
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I don’t think any one knows why Cardinal Burke is being moved.
 
gilliam said:
The end result of the 2014 synod is a paper that will be brought back by the bishops to their diocese to think about, pray over, and discuss. There will be another synod in October of 2015 that will finalize any recommendations by the bishops and those recommendations will go to the Holy Father. He may or may not make any changes in pastoral methods based upon those recommendations. None of this touches infallible teachings, they will remain the same.
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If the Holy Father does make changes in methods after the 2015 synod, will Catholic pastors be bound by the new methods?
 
phil19034 said:
I like Cardinal Burke a lot. But there MIGHT be more to this that we don’t know.

Let’s remember, he was removed as Archbishop of St Louis by Pope Benedict. Cardinal - Deacons are lower than Cardinal - Priests. All Bishops of a Diocese who become a Cardinal start as Cardinal Priest, not Cardinal Deacon like Burke.

He was relatively young when he left St Louis and wasn’t given a larger Archdiocese by Pope Benidect.

I like him very much, and I think his views are usually spot on. But PERHAPS he isn’t a good administrator…? Not all intelligent, smart, and usually correct people are good at leading people (even in the Church).

So before panicing, let’s keep in mind that there is two sides of every story, but we will NEVER know why both Pope Benidect and Pope Francis have reassigned Cardinal Burke.

Again, I think he’s great and I respect him a lot. But perhaps he isn’t a good administrator?

Food for thought.
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Yeah but nobody actually sees it like that. When a cardinal is moved to Rome, it is seen as a promotion, when one is moved away from a curial post, it is seen as a demotion, period, regardless of the fact that a diocesan bishop is “superior” to a non-diocesan bishop.
 
I’m inclined to listen to Cardinal Burke. In Church matters it’s very important to be obedient to doctrine and tradition. Pope Paul VI said the smoke of Satan had entered the Church. He knew something . . . I’m quite concerned.
 
LongingSoul said:
That’s the beauty of Pope Francis. He defies factional definition. That was a cool aspect of Jesus too.
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The Pharisees were extremely upset with Jesus over his close association with tax collectors, prostitutes, and sinners. Unfortunately, we’re observing similar behavior by certain factions within the Church today. Sinners who made grave errors in their younger days (especially marriages which never should have occurred in the first place) are being told sorry; it’s my way or the highway.

I will still pray for Cardinal Burke no matter whether he continues to criticize Pope Francis or not.

Peace to all and God Bless.
 
Ruthmary said:
I’m inclined to listen to Cardinal Burke. In Church matters it’s very important to be obedient to doctrine and tradition. Pope Paul VI said the smoke of Satan had entered the Church. He knew something . . . I’m quite concerned.
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God bless the late Paul VI. Beatification coming soon. 😉
 
The fact of the matter is that there are always two sides to every story and outsiders never hear 100% of either side. So I say we pray for both of these men instead of casting judgment. 😉
 
There is definitely a side to this that we are not privy to and we have to trust that God is in charge here.

Cardinal Burke can come out of this a Saint, even if it’s private and no one but God knows that until we are all in Heaven.

Steel sharpens Steel. This can be very good for him (and the Church will benefit from it too).
 
I will just assume the Holy Father had his good reasons for the ouster.
 
nuntym said:
+JMJ+

buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/conservative-cardinal-who-clashed-with-pope-francis-confirms
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I read the whole thread and still didn’t get what the demotion was until I read this in the link above:
In the interview with BuzzFeed News, Burke confirmed publicly for the first time the rumors that he had been told Francis intended to demote him from the church’s chief guardian of canon law to a minor post as patron to the Sovereign Military Order of Malta.
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Yes, I guess that in most people’s eyes that that would indeed count as a demotion.
 
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