Conservative Catholics Ready to Rumble with Dissenters over Homosexual Priest Ban

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estesbob:
It will work very well if it is enforced.
Not at all. A ‘don’t ask don’t tell’ policy is just another way of saying “Gays are fine in the Priesthood…just keep it quiet!”. That sounds like the same policy that led to the sex-abuse scandal…the same policy that has apparently been put in place by the US Bishops for the last 40 years…
 
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Isidore_AK:
Not at all. A ‘don’t ask don’t tell’ policy is just another way of saying “Gays are fine in the Priesthood…just keep it quiet!”. That sounds like the same policy that led to the sex-abuse scandal…the same policy that has apparently been put in place by the US Bishops for the last 40 years…
A non practicing , long time celibate homosexual who is not immersed and/or promotes in their culture and shows no inlcnation to do so is just fine.

The problem in the past is that the Bishops allwed, in some case encouraged, open homosexuals in the Priesthood. i know this for a fact as I was in the Seminary in the mid 60s.
 
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estesbob:
A non practicing , long time celibate homosexual who is not immersed and/or promotes in their culture and shows no inlcnation to do so is just fine.

The problem in the past is that the Bishops allwed, in some case encouraged, open homosexuals in the Priesthood. i know this for a fact as I was in the Seminary in the mid 60s.
If they self-identify as homosexuals, then they shouldn’t be there period.
 
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mlchance:
43% of white male homosexuals have had sex with 500 or more partners. 28% have had 1000 or more sexual partners. A.P. Bell & M.S. Weinberg, Homosexuality: A Study of Diversity among Men and Women (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1978).

More modest results were found in “A Comparative Demographic and Sexual Profile of Older Homosexually Active Men” in The Journal of Sex Research 34 (1997). In this survey of 2583 homosexual men, “the modal range for number of sexual partners ever [of homosexual men] was 101-500.” Between 10.2 and 15.7 percent had more than 1000 lifetime sexual partners. Only 2.7 percent of older homosexual men report only one sexual partner in their lifetime.

Similar studies note that “few homosexual relationships last longer than two years, with many men reporting hundreds of lifetime partners” (M. Pollak, “Male Homosexuality,” Western Sexuality (1985). That “all [homosexual male] couples with a relationship lasting more than five years have incorporated some provision for outside sexual activity in their relationships” (D. P. McWhirter & A. M. Mattison, The Male Couple (1984).

The journal AIDS (17, 2003) found in a study among homosexual men in the Netherlands found that homosexual men without a “steady partner” acquired “casual partners” at a rate of 22 per year. Those with a “steady partner” acquired “casual partners” at a rate of 8 per year.

All of these rates are significantly higher than rates among heterosexuals. For example, The Social Organization of Sexuality (1994) showed that 75% of husbands never had sexual relations outside of marriage. While this rate of fidelity is still far from the ideal, it is of an entirely different order of fidelity compared to homosexual men, among whom fidelity is almost nonexistent.

Evidences can be multiplied.

– Mark L. Chance.
Even while defining myself as a homosexual man in the past I never had sex. I am either good proof against these statisics, a liar, or was never a homosexual man. So fidelity is existent. I wish these surveys would interview those like myself. I could skew the results a little.
 
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goofyjim:
Even while defining myself as a homosexual man in the past I never had sex. I am either good proof against these statisics, a liar, or was never a homosexual man. So fidelity is existent. I wish these surveys would interview those like myself. I could skew the results a little.
The truth is you were never a homosexual man. If we define ourselves by our attractions we are in big trouble, For instance if i find myself attracted to my neighbors wife that does not make me and adulteter or a rapist unless i act on that attarction.
 
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estesbob:
The truth is you were never a homosexual man. If we define ourselves by our attractions we are in big trouble, For instance if i find myself attracted to my neighbors wife that does not make me and adulteter or a rapist unless i act on that attarction.
Since I already live the prayer life of a priest, meaning the Divine Office, as well as the Rosary and many other prayers, along with frequent reception of the Eucharist, would these be good indicators of a calling to the priesthood or some form of religious life? Or would my past acceptance be held against me. This is why I am interested in this forthcoming document. I have no ambitions to disobey the Church.
 
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goofyjim:
Since I already live the prayer life of a priest, meaning the Divine Office, as well as the Rosary and many other prayers, along with frequent reception of the Eucharist, would these be good indicators of a calling to the priesthood or some form of religious life? Or would my past acceptance be held against me. This is why I am interested in this forthcoming document. I have no ambitions to disobey the Church.
I lead the same prayer life you do! Praying the Liturgy of the Hours has been a great blessing in my life. From the details I have seen on the document there are no impediments(from a homosexual standpoint) to your becoming a Priest
 
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goofyjim:
Even while defining myself as a homosexual man in the past I never had sex. I am either good proof against these statisics, a liar, or was never a homosexual man. So fidelity is existent. I wish these surveys would interview those like myself. I could skew the results a little.
The evidence doesn’t say fidelity is nonexistent. It says it is extremely rare in comparison with heterosexual males.
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goofyjim:
Since I already live the prayer life of a priest, meaning the Divine Office, as well as the Rosary and many other prayers, along with frequent reception of the Eucharist, would these be good indicators of a calling to the priesthood or some form of religious life? Or would my past acceptance be held against me.
Those questions aren’t anything anyone here can answer. If you feel called to the priesthood, that vocation must be explored with the help of the Church.
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goofyjim:
This is why I am interested in this forthcoming document. I have no ambitions to disobey the Church.
Kudos to you, for this and other statements as well.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
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goofyjim:
Since I already live the prayer life of a priest, meaning the Divine Office, as well as the Rosary and many other prayers, along with frequent reception of the Eucharist, would these be good indicators of a calling to the priesthood or some form of religious life? Or would my past acceptance be held against me. This is why I am interested in this forthcoming document. I have no ambitions to disobey the Church.
 
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goofyjim:
Since I already live the prayer life of a priest, meaning the Divine Office, as well as the Rosary and many other prayers, along with frequent reception of the Eucharist, would these be good indicators of a calling to the priesthood or some form of religious life? Or would my past acceptance be held against me. This is why I am interested in this forthcoming document. I have no ambitions to disobey the Church.
I don’t think you have any rights a straight man is bound to respect.

( the Vatican) it “cannot admit to the seminary and the sacred orders those who practice homosexuality, present deeply rooted homosexual tendencies or support so-called gay culture.”

“Those people find themselves, in fact, in a situation that presents a grave obstacle to a correct relationship with men and women. One cannot ignore the negative consequences that can stem from the ordination of people with deeply rooted homosexual tendencies,” it said.

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051122/ap_on_re_eu/vatican_gays

I suggest that you do not to try to live within an organization does not want you. How big a message do you need?
 
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MikeinSD:
I don’t think you have any rights a straight man is bound to respect.
Well, at least your upfront about your belief that homosexual persons aren’t human.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
Here it is … another Sunday morning…as I prepare to go to Mass ‘somewhere’ in the Diocese of Rochester, NY…I am thinkin’ that the document banning homosexuals from the priesthood is not going to make a single shred of difference here. The road has been long but I really don’t believe this simple document will make a difference here and other places where disobedience to the Church reigns high. There will be no rumbling this week or next. I am afraid that those in Catholic leadership who are dissenters of the Church will simply keep on truckin’ and doin’ their own thing. The dissenters are many and seem to know there is no one to stop them. How sure are they of themselves? They go so far as to make bold proclamations of their disobedience. Sigh
 
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contemplative:
Here it is … another Sunday morning…as I prepare to go to Mass ‘somewhere’ in the Diocese of Rochester, NY…I am thinkin’ that the document banning homosexuals from the priesthood is not going to make a single shred of difference here. The road has been long but I really don’t believe this simple document will make a difference here and other places where disobedience to the Church reigns high. There will be no rumbling this week or next. I am afraid that those in Catholic leadership who are dissenters of the Church will simply keep on truckin’ and doin’ their own thing. The dissenters are many and seem to know there is no one to stop them. How sure are they of themselves? They go so far as to make bold proclamations of their disobedience. Sigh
Then we report them to the Vatican and include copies of every statement they make that is against the teachings of the Church.

PF
 
Then we report them to the Vatican and include copies of every statement they make that is against the teachings of the Church.
Yes, because that is the christian thing to do…

Soon we can do that to all the dissenters and all sins, and then, we can have an even smaller church, one that becomes so small that it cannot function.
 
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MikeinSD:
I don’t think you have any rights a straight man is bound to respect.

I suggest that you do not to try to live within an organization does not want you. How big a message do you need?
Since you yourself are not a member of the Catholic Church i dont think anyone is bound to respect your opinions as to who should and should not belong. Goofyjim has nothing in his past that the would preclude him from persuing the Priesthood PER the document as it has been published.

Again i want posters in this thread to be aware that MikeinSD is not a Catholic , has shown much animosity to the Church in prior posts and his extremly bigoted views and mistatements of Catholic teachings should be read with that in my mind.
 
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estesbob:
Again i want posters in this thread to be aware that MikeinSD is not a Catholic , has shown much animosity to the Church in prior posts and his extremly bigoted views and mistatements of Catholic teachings should be read with that in my mind.**

Thanks …I am very familiar with MikeinSD. Good thing you mentioned it for those who don’t have the time to look at bios and past posts of forum users.
 
Seems the moderaters have a problem with personal attacks. So I have to let them deal with it. 😃
 
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