Conservatives call on GOP leaders to step down

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ishii said:
Still have yet to hear a proportionate reason to vote for the president who supports infanticide. Anyone who voted for Obama, voted for someone who supports infanticide. What are the proportionate reasons? School lunches for poor obese kids?

Ishii
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My proportionate reasons have been restated on this forum ad-nauseum, but the point is they are MINE. No human being who is not my spiritual director has to agree or even to know what they are. No one has any business making sweeping statements about other people’s consciences or their faith with regard to these decisions.

Like I implied before, not content with chasing away moderates from the GOP, there seems to be some people bent on doing the same in the Church. Not - gonna - happen.
 
oldcelt said:
I have a hard time with sore losers/whiners. I didn’t like it when some of my party kept it up in 2000 and I don’t like it now. If you can’t lose gracefully, you have no business playing the game.

What really kills me is that Gov. Romney tried to set a good example. He was gracious in defeat.

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I have to give him that. He took it like a man - a gentleman at that. There must be a moral in there somewhere.
 
The Republicans have at least 2 Woman Governors, of New Mexico and of South Carolina. I dont’ think there are any Women Democrat Governors.

The Democrats treatment is almost treating them as nothing but sex objects.

Republicans see them as someone of intelligence to talk to.
 
ishii said:
Still have yet to hear a proportionate reason to vote for the president who supports infanticide. Anyone who voted for Obama, voted for someone who supports infanticide. What are the proportionate reasons? School lunches for poor obese kids?

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I know Catholics have explained their reasons on other threads leading up to the election. Seekerz just told me proportionate reasons don’t need to be the same within consciences. So unless you assume Seekerz is not an informed, faithful practicing Catholic which I don’t, I guess you’ll have to discuss her/his reasons compared to yours. But the election is over and there was already so much discussion about it beforehand.
 
oldcelt said:
I have a hard time with sore losers/whiners. I didn’t like it when some of my party kept it up in 2000 and I don’t like it now. If you can’t lose gracefully, you have no business playing the game.

What really kills me is that Gov. Romney tried to set a good example. He was gracious in defeat.

John
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He really did and was. I actually applauded Gov Romney that night.
 
BroomWagon said:
The Republicans have at least 2 Woman Governors, of New Mexico and of South Carolina. I dont’ think there are any Women Democrat Governors.

The Democrats treatment is almost treating them as nothing but sex objects.

Republicans see them as someone of intelligence to talk to.
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Guess that’s why the Democrats took 55% of the female vote.
 
CMatt25 said:
I know Catholics have explained their reasons on other threads leading up to the election. Seekerz just told me proportionate reasons don’t need to be the same within consciences. So unless you assume Seekerz is not an informed, faithful practicing Catholic which I don’t, I guess you’ll have to discuss her reasons compared to yours. But the election is over and there was already so much discussion about it beforehand.
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How could someone vote for an infanticide supporter? Boggles the mind - what partisan allegiances will make someone do - abandon the unborn (and recently born) in order to vote the party line. I will have answer for a great deal when I die. Voting for an infanticide supporter is not one of them, however.

Ishii
 
seekerz said:
My proportionate reasons have been restated on this forum ad-nauseum, but the point is they are MINE. No human being who is not my spiritual director has to agree or even to know what they are. No one has any business making sweeping statements about other people’s consciences or their faith with regard to these decisions.

Like I implied before, not content with chasing away moderates from the GOP, there seems to be some people bent on doing the same in the Church. Not - gonna - happen.
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In other words, you have NO proportionate reasons. Your response remindes me of when Rick Santorum was debating abortion supporter Barbara Boxer and she, knowing he had her, said, " I will not answer! I will not answer!

Folks, if you voted for Obama, you voted for an infanticide supporter. Now, maybe you’re a secular atheist who believes there are no consequences to our actions, like Stalin, Mao and Hitler. On the other hand, if you’re a Catholic, you really ought to reflect on what you have just done.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
How could someone vote for an infanticide supporter? Boggles the mind - what partisan allegiances will make someone do - abandon the unborn (and recently born) in order to vote the party line. I will have answer for a great deal when I die. Voting for an infanticide supporter is not one of them, however.

Ishii
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Boggles your mind and others who think as you do. But as Seekerz said it’s all been discussed previously.
 
ishii said:
How could someone vote for an infanticide supporter? Boggles the mind - what partisan allegiances will make someone do - abandon the unborn (and recently born) in order to vote the party line.

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Casting aspersions on people does not generally give more than fleeting satisfaction. Nobody abandoned the unborn: we had one pro-choice candidate and one pro-whatever-gets-me-elected candidate. I supported the one who is pro-choice, not because he is pro-choice but because I think his overall vision reflects respect and concern for people and an obvious desire to create the conditions where people can improve their lives. The research that I have done on abortion shows that improved living conditions (and contraceptive use - and no, this is not an endorsement of it) go hand in hand with decreased abortion rates (for example, compare developed and underdeveloped countries) regardless of whether abortion is legal or not.

I have a myriad of other reasons: in my practical experience, as long as women have access to modern medical technology and doctors are needed to diagnose/prove abortion, legal remedies will remain largely ineffective, so I would not make abortion the single issue in deciding who to support. In addition, I did not find pro-life protestations from the some segments of the GOP convincing because, like I’ve said at least a few times since the election results, it’s hard to convince me that people can respect the babies of those whom they seem to have little regard/respect for. I basically see abortion for many politicians on both sides, as an issue that can be used to manipulate voters.

Also, there are other concerns than abortion. I had very serious misgivings about the tenets of Romeny’s faith that I was familiar with, particularly with regard to his beliefs on divinity. Like his running mate said, faith affects everything you do (I’m paraphrasing here).

That is a sampling - not the entirety - of my proportional reasoning, with regard to supporting Obama.
 
ishii said:
In other words, you have NO proportionate reasons. Your response remindes me of when Rick Santorum was debating abortion supporter Barbara Boxer and she, knowing he had her, said, " I will not answer! I will not answer!

Folks, if you voted for Obama, you voted for an infanticide supporter. Now, maybe you’re a secular atheist who believes there are no consequences to our actions, like Stalin, Mao and Hitler. On the other hand, if you’re a Catholic, you really ought to reflect on what you have just done.

Ishii
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I have no problems with the election results or my support for Obama. You can continue the name-calling or you can deal with life. That’s what I do, as an adult and I’d highly recommend it to anyone.
 
 
Richard320 said:
I’d like to see a party that I can actually fit into. One that appeals to working class, rather than the rich; one with my values about entitlements, abortion, gay rights, and gun control. Sadly, there isn’t one.
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👍👍👍 concerning the working class. I’m in agreement with the party on gun control, abortion and gay marriage.
They do need to explain their position on immigration using fairness to get it across.
There are people patiently waiting to immigrate to the U.S. It’s not o.k. to cut in line and then demand legal status. That is unfair to those in compliance with the rules.
They also need to change/engage in the debate over the war on women. Abortion and economic pressures to kill our children in order to achieve in a this economy is a big part (albeit not aknowleged) of the war on women. Women should not be pressured to chose between making a living and killing their children. The Republican party can speak to this issue if it chooses. I think it might be helpful.
 
SGTTOM said:
I think the republican party could have done better with the campaigning. Romney could have done better with the debates. Still its not an easy task. In the end you can’t make people vote one way or another. It was an improvement on the 2008 election though.
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Romney did WORSE than McCain. I didn’t even think that was possible. McCain was the worst candidate the GOP has offered for public consumption in recent history.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Romney did WORSE than McCain. I didn’t even think that was possible. McCain was the worst candidate the GOP has offered for public consumption in recent history.
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As long as the Republicans keep offering mediocre moderates, the Democrats will continue to win. The Democrats are very good at appealing to their base. They stay to the Left and they win. For some strange reason, the Republicans keep straying toward the middle and have slowly eroded their base support.

The Democrat Party has made a deal with the Devil by actively supporting, promoting, and enabling the two intrinsic evils of abortion on demand and homosexual marriage (two sins that cry to Heaven for vengeance). You don’t beat the Devil by offering wishy-washy, mediocre moderates. There are two ways to win in politics - tell Lies or tell the Truth. People that play the middle are playing a losing game, IMHO.

Let’s hope the Republicans wake up and get their house in order.
 
seekerz said:
My proportionate reasons have been restated on this forum ad-nauseum, but the point is they are MINE. No human being who is not my spiritual director has to agree or even to know what they are. No one has any business making sweeping statements about other people’s consciences or their faith with regard to these decisions.

Like I implied before, not content with chasing away moderates from the GOP, there seems to be some people bent on doing the same in the Church. Not - gonna - happen.
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Hope you realise that various Priests and Bishops have said tax, national security, welfare, health care, immigration, social security, medicare in combination or singularly are not proportionate reasons to vote for a pro abortion candidate
 
CMatt25 said:
One thing I used to fear about the Catholic Church was the Catholic Church becoming just that. From my observations over the past decade and from reading the majority of CAF posters on this subforum it still appears to me it might be moving more and more in that direction. I’ll continue to hope not.
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I’ll continue to pray that her members continue to move towards prioritizing life, marriage, and respect for conscience rather than free goodies from the government.
 
BroomWagon said:
I don’t fault people who voted for the Constitution Party’s Virgil Goode, I like that party’s platform but I did not vote for it.
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imo, Virgil Goode was the only truly pro-life candidate and he has the record to prove it. In '08, I did vote the Constitution Party because again, their candidate was pro-life on principle, not for political gain, and I felt their platform was the one with integrity and truly a conservative one…almost paleo-conservative compared to the leftist GOP now.

But Obama has shown he truly means to take us down and I just couldn’t vote 3rd party this year…and like so many others, I voted in opposition to him, not for a candidate I thought would bring us out of the morass.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Romney did WORSE than McCain. I didn’t even think that was possible. McCain was the worst candidate the GOP has offered for public consumption in recent history.
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Doesn’t it make you wonder just what in the world the RNC is doing???
 
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