Conservatives call on GOP leaders to step down

[Lapey]

Democrat hack…yes, I suppose I am, except for the fact that I consistently vote a split ticket, worked loyally for a Republican Congressman, and give credit where I believe it is due.
My response was not directed at you, but at the notion that the Republican Party and church teaching should be, or are one in the same. The church has a role as a teacher…political parties are out to win elections.

This is and has been a secular society represented by the political process. It can be, and has been influenced by people of faith, but to combine the two into a solid whole is something that is anathema to the American vision. Each has its role.

As for not being able to show that you are wrong by church doctrine, why would I want to? You have your beliefs and are obviously comfortable with them. I have mine and the same holds true.

Believe it or not, a great many highly intelligent people disagree with you assessment of the American condition.

John

Well John, you commented on a mocking comment directed towards me. There is nothing you can site in any of my posts that are outside of Church teaching, I speak truth. Catholic guy was out of line but unlike others here I don’t run to the moderators when that happens. I letthe comments stand for what they show, ignorance.

You jumped in to validate what he said at my expence. I have been noithing but polite and I shall remain that way. You may disagree with what I post, but is mocking me or validating someone elses mocking the right thing to do?

 

[oldcelt]

Well John, you commented on a mocking comment directed towards me. There is nothing you can site in any of my posts that are outside of Church teaching, I speak truth. Catholic guy was out of line but unlike others here I don’t run to the moderators when that happens. I letthe comments stand for what they show, ignorance.

You jumped in to validate what he said at my expence. I have been noithing but polite and I shall remain that way. You may disagree with what I post, but is mocking me or validating someone elses mocking the right thing to do?

If I offended you I apologize…that was not my intention.

John

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Guess that’s why the Democrats took 55% of the female vote.

They want to right to kill their own children. And people wonder why I say that God is chastizing the nation.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Doesn’t it make you wonder just what in the world the RNC is doing???

I have been saying for MONTHS that Rence Prebius needs to be fired and replaced. Everyone laughed at me and called me a reactionist. I claimed for months that the GOP establishment was working as hard as it could to put Romney in place. I was told I was being silly. I said that the GOP was playing by the same playbook as 2008. People rolled their eyes at me.

The GOP’s chickens have come home to roost. Enjoy the next 4 years. I already have my plans.

 

[Lapey]

You tell em Deacon! One Holy Catholic and Republican Church LOL

One thing I used to fear about the Catholic Church was the Catholic Church becoming just that. From my observations over the past decade and from reading the majority of CAF posters on this subforum it still appears to me it might be moving more and more in that direction. I’ll continue to hope not.

This is such a load of hypocrisy. When it was, and 50% still is, the One Holy Catholic democrat Church you were okay with that.

The Democrat Party has left the Church and Her beliefs long ago, but unfortunately many still are more faithful to the DP than Mother Church.

Many here label me a partisan, Catholic Guy ridicules me with this comment that you, a partisan democrat, validate, but it’s me who is the partisan. Ok, I can take it. But I will not compromise my Catholic values.

I challenge any of you liberals to read the party platforms in light of Catholic teachings and see which matches better, which supports intrinsic evils and which does not.

This is a Catholic forum; I am a Catholic Deacon, a clergy member in His Church. Why would I talk of believing in or supporting anything contrary to the Catholic faith? I am not here to be an unbiased neutered hypocrite; I am here to represent the Church in Her fullness and I shall.

Now some here call themselves Catholic but only toe party line, some toe party line and are ashamed to list that they are Catholic, which they are even though they work against Her. Our Church is going through a period of “cleansing” and I can assure you it will get worse. The priests coming out of seminaries these days are not going left, they are going right with the Church, where She always has been. I’ve heard Arch Bishop Fulton Sheen quoted this past year more than ever in my lifetime, Praise God! He got it right. What is you opinion of him? I guess he was a partisan too…

The deacons coming out and being ordained these days are preaching the whole truth, and lately many priests and bishops are getting the strong message of truth out. I would like nothing more than to sit and hear my pastor preach Church truths every weekend, as of now every time there is a “hard” subject to preach on it is my turn to preach. I’m okay with that, but it should be the priest.

The Democrat Party has left the Church; it is past time for the Church to leave the Democrat Party. We are Catholics before we are rep or dem, we are Catholic before we are conservative or liberal. The Catholic Church is truth because the Truth is the Head of Her, conform you will to Him and you too will see the light.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

This is such a load of hypocrisy. When it was, and 50% still is, the One Holy Catholic democrat Church you were okay with that.

The Democrat Party has left the Church and Her beliefs long ago, but unfortunately many still are more faithful to the DP than Mother Church.

Many here label me a partisan, Catholic Guy ridicules me with this comment that you, a partisan democrat, validate, but it’s me who is the partisan. Ok, I can take it. But I will not compromise my Catholic values.

I challenge any of you liberals to read the party platforms in light of Catholic teachings and see which matches better, which supports intrinsic evils and which does not.

This is a Catholic forum; I am a Catholic Deacon, a clergy member in His Church. Why would I talk of believing in or supporting anything contrary to the Catholic faith? I am not here to be an unbiased neutered hypocrite; I am here to represent the Church in Her fullness and I shall.

Now some here call themselves Catholic but only toe party line, some toe party line and are ashamed to list that they are Catholic, which they are even though they work against Her. Our Church is going through a period of “cleansing” and I can assure you it will get worse. The priests coming out of seminaries these days are not going left, they are going right with the Church, where She always has been. I’ve heard Arch Bishop Fulton Sheen quoted this past year more than ever in my lifetime, Praise God! He got it right. What is you opinion of him? I guess he was a partisan too…

The deacons coming out and being ordained these days are preaching the whole truth, and lately many priests and bishops are getting the strong message of truth out. I would like nothing more than to sit and hear my pastor preach Church truths every weekend, as of now every time there is a “hard” subject to preach on it is my turn to preach. I’m okay with that, but it should be the priest.

The Democrat Party has left the Church; it is past time for the Church to leave the Democrat Party. We are Catholics before we are rep or dem, we are Catholic before we are conservative or liberal. The Catholic Church is truth because the Truth is the Head of Her, conform you will to Him and you too will see the light.

As a man who is in formation for the permanent diaconate, I concur with the above 100%.

 

[Lapey]

That is what is killing some people. They threw everything the could at the President, and he still won.

John

He didn’t win because he got more votes than he did last time, he won because people did not go vote for Romney. Both sides saw a considerable decrease in turnout. I don’t think either side expected that. Dem was down about 10 million, rep about 3 million less. Had a real conservative family values, Catholic values type of candidate been the nominee Obama would not have won. But that is my purely partisan opinion…

 

[benjammin]

Obama is a leftist, not a centrist. If he hasn’t rammed through every leftist program it is because of political reality - he couldn’t win with only leftist base -he needed gullible people to think “he’s a centrist.” He is a European style socialist, and is successfully moving our country in that direction.

Ishii

So just being pro choice makes you a Euro Socialist? Oh yeah I forgot Rudy Guliani was a Socialist, and Scot Brown lost his race in Mass because he was a socialist:nope::nope:There are conservatives who are as pro choice as Obama. Sure not too many, but i’m sure they exist. I would think someone like Ayn Rand would be pro choice

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

So just being pro choice makes you a Euro Socialist? Oh yeah I forgot Rudy Guliani was a Socialist, and Scot Brown lost his race in Mass because he was a socialist:nope::nope:There are conservatives who are as pro choice as Obama. Sure not too many, but i’m sure they exist. I would think someone like Ayn Rand would be pro choice

The fact that Massachusetts elected Warren over Brown after she clearly demonstrated she is a socialist and a liar says all I need to know about the people of Mass.

 

[oldcelt]

He didn’t win because he got more votes than he did last time, he won because people did not go vote for Romney. Both sides saw a considerable decrease in turnout. I don’t think either side expected that. Dem was down about 10 million, rep about 3 million less. Had a real conservative family values, Catholic values type of candidate been the nominee Obama would not have won. But that is my purely partisan opinion…

Yes, yes it is

 

[Lapey]

If I offended you I apologize…that was not my intention.

John

Offended is the wrong word, disappointed is more like it. I’m disappointed that Catholic Guy can’t make an argument against what I post so he turns to simple mocking, sad. Then you and other liberals jump on board, again it is disappointing. But no offense taken and no reason to apologize; however I was always taught that when someone offers an apology accept it; so apology accepted.

No biggie though, I will persevere! So will Mother Church preaching truth not party affiliation. Until all of Her children understand and obey She will scream through Her ministers and the faithful.

 

[Mickey]

My conscience is properly formed and I support Obama. Who made you judge of consciences?

Christ will be your judge…not me. One day you will stand before His fearsome judgment seat and have to explain why you supported a man who champions abortion on demand, infanticide, and homosexual “marriage.”

 

[Mickey]

Still have yet to hear a proportionate reason to vote for the president who supports infanticide. Anyone who voted for Obama, voted for someone who supports infanticide. What are the proportionate reasons? School lunches for poor obese kids?

Ishii

Yes…it is very very sad.

 

[meltzerboy]

Who in the leadership of the GOP called Obama anything except that he is “a good man” that they disagree with? On the otherhand, the Democrats - Biden, e.g. said that Romney/Ryan “will put you back in chains.” Reid, in a fit of McCarthyism called Romney a tax evader but had no evidence whatsoever. The Republicans, according to Obama, didn’t care about clean water or clean air and didn’t care about “kids with autism.” The Democrats are the best at demonizing and dividing in order to win elections.

Ishii

Yes, the Democrats are the best at demonizing: they do EVERYTHNG better! Seriously though, one would have to be in denial to say that the Republicans are not expert demonizers as well. Oldcelt’s point is well taken.

 

[Lapey]

Yes, yes it is

I would like your truthful and full opinion of what you know about me. Do you really think I am a partisan Republican? Even though I have argued many issues that the Republican Party firmly disagrees with, immigration, death penalty, ect.

If you do see me as that, what would I have to do to remove that appearance? Should I keep quiet? Or should I simply agree with the intrinsic evils supported by the Democrat Party?

I am honestly wondering, what you wish of me? Do I appear as a partisan because I dare to speak against things you believe are ok? Help me understand the error of my ways.

Please give me specific issues that paint me as just another mean spirited republican.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Christ will be your judge…not me. One day you will stand before His fearsome judgment seat and have to explain why you supported a man who champions abortion on demand, infanticide, and homosexual “marriage.”

I am not a judge, but, I can be a fruit inspector.

“by their fruits you shall know them…”

 

[Mickey]

The Democrat Party has made a deal with the Devil by actively supporting, promoting, and enabling the two intrinsic evils of abortion on demand and homosexual marriage (two sins that cry to Heaven for vengeance).

Yes.

 

[Mickey]

I am not a judge, but, I can be a fruit inspector.

“by their fruits you shall know them…”

I’m saving that one for my files.

 

[meltzerboy]

Romney did WORSE than McCain. I didn’t even think that was possible. McCain was the worst candidate the GOP has offered for public consumption in recent history.

Yes, McCain had a poor showing in his bid for President; I guess one could say it was Obama’s time. The former was a bad candidate but only in the sense that he was not good in relating to the people and his choice of Sarah Palin as a running mate did not help matters. However, I believe McCain would have been a good President. Perhaps Romney would have too but we’ll never know.

 

[Mickey]

I challenge any of you liberals to read the party platforms in light of Catholic teachings and see which matches better, which supports intrinsic evils and which does not.

I am guessing that not too many will take you up on that challenge.

The Democrat Party has left the Church; it is past time for the Church to leave the Democrat Party.

Sad but true.