Conservatives call on GOP leaders to step down

[Lapey]

The moderates that exit polls indicated were over 40% of the electorate.

Moderate is a nice way of saying liberal. What is a moderate veiw of any issue? List one please.

 

[oldcelt]

So ignore the 60%?

The remainder identified as 25% conservative and 35% liberal…so 75% would approve of compromise

 

[oldcelt]

Moderate is a nice way of saying liberal. What is a moderate veiw of any issue? List one please.

A combination of spending cuts and tax increases back to level when our economy really moved.

 

[meltzerboy]

What profit is there that I gain the world and lose my soul…compromise my values I will not. The gate is narrow, and few are those who go through it.

One can work out compromise to ensure your moral values, as well as those of others who may disagree, are all protected. It’s far from easy since liberals can be just as intransigent as conservatives. But negotiation in times of peace and war is the only lasting solution to solving problems. If one prefers continual fighting, however, that can also be arranged by refusing to negotiate.

 

[JimG]

This gives the President more leverage in upcoming negotiations. McConnell is up for reelection in 2014 and Boehner is on the two-year treadmill. The President will never run again.

A number of analysts I have read or heard believe that the GOP will have to stand up to its more radical elements and look to be working for the people if they want to make gains in 2014 and be competitive in 2016.

I’ve seen a number of comments saying that the GOP needs to stand up to its more radical elements. Yet I seldom see comments that the Democratic Party needs to stand up to its more extreme elements–those who favor abortion rights for any reason at any time at taxpayer cost, those who favor homosexual marriage, those who favor unlimited federal spending without limit. Let’s face it, the Dems have leaned so far left that they are in danger of falling over. Democratic moderates are marginalized by the party, especially if they are deemed to be too pro-life.

 

[Cider]

A combination of spending cuts and tax increases back to level when our economy really moved.

Yes by all means, raise taxes on people. Let’s see, my husband has had a 50% loss in income when he finally did find another job after being laid off for over 2 years. At the same time prices on everything have risen and now we have to contend with Obamatax. But by all means, raise taxes.

The Fed government hasn’t proven that they deserve one more penny from the American people, they squander what they already have.

 

[oldcelt]

I’ve seen a number of comments saying that the GOP needs to stand up to its more radical elements. Yet I seldom see comments that the Democratic Party needs to stand up to its more extreme elements–those who favor abortion rights for any reason at any time at taxpayer cost, those who favor homosexual marriage, those who favor unlimited federal spending without limit. Let’s face it, the Dems have leaned so far left that they are in danger of falling over. Democratic moderates are marginalized by the party, especially if they are deemed to be too pro-life.

I have been referring to fiscal matters. As a moderate myself I do not favor any taxpayer money for abortion…am willing to leave same-sex marriage to the states and believe in fiscal responsibility.

However, the are not inter-related and fiscal policy should not be held hostage by a social agenda.

John

 

[qui_est_ce]

One can work out compromise to ensure your moral values, as well as those of others who may disagree, are all protected. It’s far from easy since liberals can be just as intransigent as conservatives. But negotiation in times of peace and war is the only lasting solution to solving problems. If one prefers continual fighting, however, that can also be arranged by refusing to negotiate.

Well said, but the Obama administration has shown no willingness to compromise on the HHS mandate for Catholic institutions and employers. Obama reneged on his promise to Cardinal Dolan. Do you think Obama just doesn’t get it?

 

[JimG]

The fiscal cliff is only the most immediate of our fiscal problems. Just getting past through the first week in January without having to do the sequestration will “solve” the fiscal cliff issue.

The remains the problem of the unsustainably expanding debt, now past $16 trillion and growing, with the government spending over $4 billion each day more than it takes in.

There remains the problem of how to undwind the Feds free money policy without throwing us into recession.

It’s not certain that either party is willing to take on those problems, because solving them will surely cost them votes.

 

[JimG]

I have been referring to fiscal matters. As a moderate myself I do not favor any taxpayer money for abortion…am willing to leave same-sex marriage to the states and believe in fiscal responsibility.

However, the are not inter-related and fiscal policy should not be held hostage by a social agenda.

John

Yes, I appreciate that and wasn’t referring to your position specifically. Yet the Democratic Party has made such issues–social issues really–their own litmust test. Could a Democrat be in a leadership position without having an extreme liberal position on abortion and gay marriage?

 

[oldcelt]

Yes by all means, raise taxes on people. Let’s see, my husband has had a 50% loss in income when he finally did find another job after being laid off for over 2 years. At the same time prices on everything have risen and now we have to contend with Obamatax. But by all means, raise taxes.

The Fed government hasn’t proven that they deserve one more penny from the American people, they squander what they already have.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but we are all going to take a hit if we hope to regain a sound economic footing. That’s why I support tax increases AND spending cuts. Ten percent is doable.

John

 

[qui_est_ce]

I have been referring to fiscal matters. As a moderate myself I do not favor any taxpayer money for abortion…am willing to leave same-sex marriage to the states and believe in fiscal responsibility.

However, the are not inter-related and fiscal policy should not be held hostage by a social agenda.

John

But the Dems will not make that distinction.

 

[pete_29]

A combination of spending cuts and tax increases back to level when our economy really moved.

The problem with this is that we may see the tax increases, but we will never see the spending cuts.

 

[oldcelt]

Yes, I appreciate that and wasn’t referring to your position specifically. Yet the Democratic Party has made such issues–social issues really–their own litmust test. Could a Democrat be in a leadership position without having an extreme liberal position on abortion and gay marriage?

I believe they could…this is where the people have to get involved. Tell them what we expect…solve the fiscal crunch and drop the extreme social agenda to a distant second place.

John

 

[oldcelt]

The problem with this is that we may see the tax increases, but we will never see the spending cuts.

No cuts, no tax increase.

 

[pete_29]

No cuts, no tax increase.

I wish I was as optimistic as you. If there are cuts I bet there all defense budget cuts,

 

[oldcelt]

I wish I was as optimistic as you.

No need for optimism…just pass the legislation with both and implement them simultaneously.

 

[meltzerboy]

Well said, but the Obama administration has shown no willingness to compromise on the HHS mandate for Catholic institutions and employers. Obama reneged on his promise to Cardinal Dolan. Do you think Obama just doesn’t get it?

I believe the Obama administration has offered what it thought to be a compromise on the HHS mandate, but it did not go far enough. This is where negotiations come in, difficult as they may be. Our country has had even bigger fish to fry, such as bringing the North and the South together after the Civil War (or The War between the States, as Southerners prefer to call it), the Carter administration’s–one of its few singular achievements–Camp David Accords, and Reagan’s peace talks with Gorbachev. It takes some willingness on both sides to sit down and talk, with a mediator perhaps. I know Obama is stubborn but so were Sadat and Begin.

 

[Lapey]

A combination of spending cuts and tax increases back to level when our economy really moved.

At the level of taxation at what it is in this country, and the level of over spending for the last 30 or so years, how is raising taxes moderate? That is liberal, always has been and always will be. A compromise wound be to cut one penny on every dollar spent in this country, every dollar, not just this or that but all! Then get rid of ALL subsidies and deductions and cooperate taxes and capital gains taxes, and lower tax rates. Give one simple deduction for every tax payer, say $36K, and then tax everyone at the lower rate. A millionaire will naturally pay a progressively higher rate and amount than someone who makes $50K.

Family making $1,000,000,000 – 36K in income @ 20% would pay $199,992,800 or an effective tax rate of 19.99%

Mitt Romney’s family $20,000,000 – minus 36K in income @ 20% would pay $3,992,800 or an effective tax rate of 19.96%

Family making $1,000,000 in income – Minus 36K@ 20% would pay $192,000 or an effective rate of 19.28%

Family makes $125,000 in income – minus 36K @ 20% would pay $17,800 or an effective rate of 14.24%

Family making $100,000 in total income – minus 36K @ 20% would pay $12800 or an effective rate of 12.8%.

Family making $36,000 in total income – 36K @ 20% would pay $0.00 or an effective rate of 0%

Rate payer base will explode with new tax payers because of new job production and income to the government will go up. Final result would be increased tax revenue, democrat want, and lower tax rates, republican want. Now that is real compromise!

This probably doesn’t fit here, but I went off on a tangent sitting at my desk and this is what I came up with. Adjust the rate a little if you like, or tweak the amount of the universal deduction if you must, but the point is there is compromise out there. It’s just not always what I or you may see as compromise.

 

[pete_29]

No need for optimism…just pass the legislation with both and implement them simultaneously.

They’ll never do it.