Conservatives call on GOP leaders to step down

[BroomWagon]

And yet you support Obama, who’s administration supports abortion.

And it’s not just to support abortion, it’s to enrich themselves over abortion as it is a fat cat industry, it’s to be a merchant in abortion. It simply is not about supporting it and a woman’s right. This is about marketing abortion. So those who voted for Obama can say “a woman’s rights” but it’s really about colonizing the United States with abortion.

It’s another grab at the government trough, just like EPA, EPA puts out regulations to deny people jobs but they have got their own jobs.

 

[SamH]

Socialized health care is not “the worse the better” and it is not a political ideology. It is an affirmation that all human lives are equally valuable, by aiming for all people to have access to health care.

It’s just that some lives are more equally valuable than others. Why do you think the federal government has exempted itself from this law?

 

[Ridgerunner]

Socialized health care is not “the worse the better” and it is not a political ideology. It is an affirmation that all human lives are equally valuable, by aiming for all people to have access to health care.

One would think that the respect for life message would be welcomed, as a prelude to extending that to the very earliest stages of life. What a more wonderful way to teach respect for life than to champion it?

It is hardly an affirmation that all human lives are equally valuable. Does anybody really think access is “equal” in quality or quantity in socialized systems?

What we had prior to Obamacare was a populace that was 85% covered and satisfied with its healthcare. What about the remaining 15%, then? First of all, nobody even knows who they were, except that it was widely acknowledged that it included people (mostly the young) who simply didn’t want it at all. It included people who were between jobs where health insurance was available. It included illegal aliens. It included people who were eligible for Medicaid and could sign up for it retroactively if they got sick. It included some unknown number of people who truly had no access to coverage other than the forced placement plans of the various states which, being underfunded, were expensive.

So, instead of improving the funding for those forced placement programs, which would have not required an authoritarian bureaucracy, massive tax increases and 16,000 IRS agents, the whole system was turned on its head, and a good part of the economy with it. And, of course, the answer some have to that debacle is to make us all depend on the government for healthcare. And the one thing that is never mentioned among those who promote socialized healthcare is that it almost inevitably results in a “two tier” system, in which some have very good care and most of the others have access only to a lesser system.

And if fully socialized heatlhcare is adopted here, that’s exactly what this country will have too.

 

[BroomWagon]

Planned Parenthood receives government grants, however as far as abortion goes, they sell abortions, it is a revenue maker.

If Planned Parenthood according to some studies asks 90% of the women who come in there for advise on pregnancy to get an abortion…

**And if Planned Parenthood performs say 350,000 abortions a year and let’s say those abortions are at a cost of $500 to $750 dollars each… **would you say this is a big money making industry?? This is a ton of money, let’s say

350,000 x $600 an abortion is equal to $ 210,000,000 a year.

My math may be off but this looks like $ 210,000,000 a year? Sound like a money maker??? for Planned Parenthood so connected to the Government??

This is what the Abortion industry is about… Feminists talk but we know the proportions are way out per race to when a white feminist talks.

Plain and Simple, this is about making money, the same as drilling for oil, the same as tearing up a fetus/baby in the womb of a woman.

So of course, Obama supporters will over and over come up with this “right to do with my own” body stuff, “woman’s right to choose” but is this really what this is about???

This is a big moneymaker.

This is about the sanctity of life but it is also about making a lot of money. Having Planned Parenthood Clinics like 7-Elevens to sell it.

 

[Mickey]

Any reason you can’t respect that I see things differently?

I am unable to support someone who votes for a president who champions abortion-on-demand, infanticide, and homosexual “marriage.” However, I respect the fact that you were being obedient to your priest and/or bishop…even though they were dissenting against the teaching of the Church and the consensus of the other priests and bishops.

I have seen women make abortion decisions in places where it is illegal.

I did not say that making it illegal would eliminate abortion.

 

[Mickey]

And it’s not just to support abortion, it’s to enrich themselves over abortion as it is a fat cat industry, it’s to be a merchant in abortion. It simply is not about supporting it and a woman’s right. This is about marketing abortion. So those who voted for Obama can say “a woman’s rights” but it’s really about colonizing the United States with abortion.

Yes. It is pure unmitigated evil.

 

[Michael_Mayo]

Here in lies the problem. Until we Catholics have the guts to help our fellow Catholics, economy will continue to trump the intrinsic evils which our Church has instructed us to oppose. I could care less of which party they belong or if they call themselves liberal or conservative, wrong is wrong.

But even that will not ultimately help. The economy is such a massive complex issue that charity does not help much. In fact, isn’t that also the complaint about welfare? Is charity really all that different from welfare when it comes to creating dependency?

 

[Carlan]

The leadership of the Republican Party is in need of change, they are not preaching a consistent message. Is abortion wrong, or not? Its okay in rape and incest cases and in cases of the life of the mother, what? So murder is okay sometimes? It is just as stupid to say slavery is evil, except in Louisiana. (State of Louisiana was chosen at random because it is where I am.)

Another one, some abortion is bad, but the death penalty in this country is okay? No they are not equal in importance as far as intrinsic evil titles are concerned; but no one here in the USA can provide a situation where the DP is needed. We have the means to protect the sanctity of life, no matter how hideous we find that life. This is what God is asking us to do, protect the least of those among us.

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Deacon Lapey, I would like to hear you and others here speak also to the root cause of
of the intrinsic evil of abortion.
Peace, Carlan

 

[estesbob]

Deacon Lapey, I would like to hear you and others here speak also to the root cause of
of the intrinsic evil of abortion.
Peace, Carlan

Satan. next question

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Satan. next question

Yessir. And those voting for politicians that back abortion are his unwitting servants.

 

[BroomWagon]

Yes. It is pure unmitigated evil.

It’s a racket that can’t be beat.

Get $ 500,000,000 in Federal Grants yearly or whatever high figure: cnsnews.com/news/article/planned-parenthood-s-annual-report-got-4874m-tax-money-did-329445-abortions

Then, make some exorbitant amount on selling abortions: $210,000,000 as an example.

Then, advice women who are pregnant who go in and advice 90% of them to get that $500 dollar or whatever cost on this service.

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And Planned Parenthood services on sexual education, contraceptives and birth control pills with all that money obviously don’t work or Planned Parenthood would not be performing more abortions every year.

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So this is the big industry those who voted for Obama supported, they love to come out with some expression like “not my right to force my opinion on others” etc. “woman’s right” but hey, there is probably a minute chance Roe V. Wade would have been reversed, but there was a very good chance Planned Parenthood could have been defunded because it is a trend that has been done in Conservative states.

So those who voted for Obama, claim “not my right to decide” enforced Planned Parenthood procedures like advising 90% of women who are pregnant, if the sting is so, to get abortions. So they have indeed supported the evil in very concrete ways… though they claim they want abortion independent of the government!!

 

[Ridgerunner]

But even that will not ultimately help. The economy is such a massive complex issue that charity does not help much. In fact, isn’t that also the complaint about welfare? Is charity really all that different from welfare when it comes to creating dependency?

I don’t think we know.

Plainly, before a lot of the social benefit legislation, there were a lot of charitable institutions that provided social welfare benefits. Whether they did better or worse than the current welfare systems is hard to know, because they occurred in very different times. We might look at some of their old edifices, now converted to other things, and judge that they appeared quite well supported notwithstanding the much reduced capabilities of people at the time to support them. It must be realized though, that during earlier eras people did not have to contribute as much of their income to government as they do now, and their lesser incomes might have been more discretionary than we sometimes think.

It may be noted that many were operated by religious orders which are much decimated today. But are we really justified in assuming that religious orders could not staff such operations now due to lack of numbers, when the lack of numbers might possibly be more related to diverted functions that no longer attract those numbers? One can observe, anecdotally, that those newer religious orders that actually engage in direct charitable work are growing while the more “political” or merely “administrative” ones are not.

Charitable providers probably do not create dependency as reliably as do government programs. First of all, charity is voluntary, could be withdrawn if the recipient is not really in need of it, and the recipient knows it. Government programs are constructed as “rights” and the purveyor rarely has any discretion in providing the benefits. Furthermore, the recipient of charity knows he is a competing recipient with all other potential recipients, whereas the government recipient is encouraged in the idea that there are no limits to the benefit stream.

I recognize it is highly unlikely that government will reduce its role in favor of that of charity. Government is not like that, and government programs never get reduced once instituted, because they create supportive constituencies.

 

[Carlan]

Satan. next question

Of course! Give me the prime solution to combating the tool Satan uses to cause this specific intrinsic evil.
peace, Carlan

 

[estesbob]

Of course! Give me the prime solution to combating the tool Satan uses to cause this specific intrinsic evil.
peace, Carlan

Ban abortion, cut off funding to overseas abortion providers.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

He is reacting to the reality of Obamacare taking full effect. What he is dong is what i myself am doing and tens of thousands of other businesses are doing-exactly as was predicted when this onerous law was passed. Talk about blaming the victim.

Stop behaving like a petulant toddler.

 

[He_Man]

But even that will not ultimately help. The economy is such a massive complex issue that charity does not help much. In fact, isn’t that also the complaint about welfare? Is charity really all that different from welfare when it comes to creating dependency?

Not per se. Simply put, if you have a society as God intended, it will prosper. Stats and figures never seem to account for God’s graces and blessings. Turn your back on Him, and I don;t care what statistical models you use, you will fail, every time.

 

[Mickey]

Stop behaving like a petulant toddler.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

It is hardly an affirmation that all human lives are equally valuable. Does anybody really think access is “equal” in quality or quantity in socialized systems?

What we had prior to Obamacare was a populace that was 85% covered and satisfied with its healthcare. What about the remaining 15%, then? First of all, nobody even knows who they were, except that it was widely acknowledged that it included people (mostly the young) who simply didn’t want it at all. It included people who were between jobs where health insurance was available. It included illegal aliens. It included people who were eligible for Medicaid and could sign up for it retroactively if they got sick. It included some unknown number of people who truly had no access to coverage other than the forced placement plans of the various states which, being underfunded, were expensive.

So, instead of improving the funding for those forced placement programs, which would have not required an authoritarian bureaucracy, massive tax increases and 16,000 IRS agents, the whole system was turned on its head, and a good part of the economy with it. And, of course, the answer some have to that debacle is to make us all depend on the government for healthcare. And the one thing that is never mentioned among those who promote socialized healthcare is that it almost inevitably results in a “two tier” system, in which some have very good care and most of the others have access only to a lesser system.

And if fully socialized heatlhcare is adopted here, that’s exactly what this country will have too.

Those 16,000 IRS agents are not auditors, they are compliance enforcement agents, aka the Tax Police.

 

[seekerz]

This proposition really doesn’t work. Women can choose not to have sex outside marriage. They can choose not to have “unprotected sex” in marriage or out, if one affirms that as a choice. And yet, manifestly a great number do, as you say, make bad choices. But suddenly, as you are saying, they make thoughtful choices, even though the stress and anxiety levels cannot be anything but greater. It is known that choosing abortion is often strongly influenced by third parties…by boyfriends, family, etc. And, of course, some who influenced the initial bad decision, and have an interest in influencing the next decision, because of the consequences to them, not to the pregnant woman.

And we’re to believe abortion is somehow not also a “bad choice”?

But it’s legal, and so boyfriends, families, friends, and those who propagandize it as merely a harmless “choice” have a powerful means of influencing the outcome; a means that would not be there, or at least not so readily, but for its being available on demand. Even some limitations on abortion could effect better choices. But there are none.

Did I say it wasn’t a bad choice? No, I said it was a choice they thought about - someone didn’t just push a button and gain control of their hands and feet. Therefore, in approaching the problem it would help to treat them as individuals capable of rational thought rather than simply seeking to impose so-called restrictions by remote control.

Human beings are creative in positive and negative ways, and the various strategies that have been thought of by women seeking abortion in violation of local regulations could fill a book or two. What is needed is a positive impact on those thought processes.

You know, the more I read and post the more I understand people. For example, those who remember the 1940s and 50s as ‘golden years’ of superior moral behavior in society, rather than what I consider a more realistic view: that much immorality (probably less overt sexual immorality than today, but not demonstrably less immorality in total) was hidden, covered up and painted over…If the fond memories are what people seek to revert to or ‘conserve’, it is no wonder that effectiveness of anti-abortion strategies is of less concern to some people than being able to say “abortion is illegal here”. Close all the clinics, defund PP…spruce up the curtains and whaddya know: you have a clean fairy tale town a la the ‘golden years’. What goes on behind closed doors is the homeowner’s business, no?

 

[Carlan]

Ban abortion, cut off funding to overseas abortion providers.

Yes, but we know the evil will still continue even if by some miracle after 40 years of looking for someone willing and able to get rid of the bad law.
Does it not start with married couples and their responsibility to raise their children to respect their own bodies and their sons to respect the bodies of women, to teach them the value of Chastity.
Good heavens! only today the below the belt scandal of two of our Army Generals is spreading over the world network. What kind of example is this for the young?
We pray God shed your light, have mercy. Carlan