Conservatives call on GOP leaders to step down

[pete_29]

No slip: Biden is dropping hints, and per Clinton she has no aspirations…It’s early yet though.

Hilary, definitely Hilary.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Nonsense. Two years ago, the tea party began its life in a landslide. Tea Party candidates won seats on Tuesday.

The message is fine. The messengers are not, at times. Old white men answering hypotheticals about abortion is a death knell. These candidates need to be better counselled and prepared on HOW to run, not the beliefs they espouse per se.

Addressing shifts in the electorate is prudent. Fundamentally abandoning your core beliefs is simply trying to achieve power for powers sake is a pyrrhic victory, at best. God does not want leaders to garner power for themselves. The entire purpose of leadership is to lead people to a better life, and frankly, one driven towards service all humanity and the dignity of each individual.

The Soviet union had leaders. Cambodia had leaders. To what end? I’m not saying Republicans lost to Pol Pot and Yuri Andropov, but the simple fact is ultimately, if God is not at the center of EVERYTHING we do in our vocations, we will fail every time.

Here is a list of midterm election results all time. The common denominator is the opposition party to the White House tends to have significant gains.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid_term_elections

Brilliant:thumbsup:

 

[He_Man]

Interesting read on the Latino Vote, the myths about “social Issues” as being a core foundation of the Latino vote, and the error of thinking simply adopting the more liberal mantra of amnesty and open borders will be a driver for greater Latino vote.

nationalreview.com/corner/332916/why-hispanics-dont-vote-republicans-heather-mac-donald#
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%between%*I spoke last year with John Echeveste, founder of the oldest Latino marketing firm in southern California, about Hispanic politics. “What Republicans mean by ‘family values’ and what Hispanics mean are two completely different things,” he said. “We are a very compassionate people, we care about other people and understand that government has a role to play in helping people.”
***And a strong reason for that support for big government is that so many Hispanics use government programs. **U.S.-born Hispanic households in California use welfare programs at twice the rate of native-born non-Hispanic households. And that is because nearly one-quarter of all Hispanics are poor in California, compared to a little over one-tenth of non-Hispanics. Nearly seven in ten poor children in the state are Hispanic, and one in three Hispanic children is poor, compared to less than one in six non-Hispanic children. One can see that disparity in classrooms across the state, which are chock full of social workers and teachers’ aides trying to boost Hispanic educational performance.
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*The idea of the “social issues” Hispanic voter is also a mirage. A majority of Hispanics now support gay marriage, a Pew Research Center poll from last month found. The Hispanic out-of-wedlock birth rate is 53 percent, about twice that of whites. *

 

[Cider]

Gun control

Extreme pro: Anyone should be able to own any gun and carry it anywhere at any time
Extreme Con: Only the government should have guns
Moderate: Need to show knowledge of gun laws and demonstrate minimum proficiency - the same as driving a car - before carrying.

Who advocates that anyone should be able to own any gun?

I don’t know any that does. Most of the pro gun people I know, myself included are perfectly fine with keeping guns out of the hands of violent criminals and felons, the mentally ill and the current ban on true automatic weapons ( not to be confused with the lefts equating of semi-automatics with machine guns).

 

[Lapey]

You may have to go down alone fighting because I’m not sure the American populace agrees with the entire Catholic position on abortion and no right to choose whatsoever in any case. And it’s beginning to look it is starting not to on the SS marriage issue either.

Matt you know my answer, why even post this secular nonsense. Neither the Church nor I care what may be popular thought in society, right is right, truth is truth. You can compromise your soul if you like; I will go down fighting as all the martyrs have throughout Church history. Here I am Lord, send me!

Do you realize how many less saints there would be in heaven right now if they had been willing to sacrifice their values?

 

[ComputerGeek25]

Matt you know my answer, why even post this secular nonsense. Neither the Church nor I care what may be popular thought in society, right is right, truth is truth. You can compromise your soul if you like; I will go down fighting as all the martyrs have throughout Church history. Here I am Lord, send me!

Do you realize how many less saints there would be in heaven right now if they had been willing to sacrifice their values?

 

[Lapey]

None of that convinces me the majority of Americans accept the Catholic position of no choice whatsoever in any cases. Let alone that most Americans I don’t believe focus as much on one issue in voting like so many Catholics do.

If 100% of American Catholics are against the Church, the Church is still correct. Period.

Get this in your head, it does not matter what is modern, or popular, or legal, it matters what is morally right in God’s eyes, unless there is no heaven or afterlife.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

If 100% of American Catholics are against the Church, the Church is still correct. Period.

Get this in your head, it does not matter what is modern, or popular, or legal, it matters what is morally right in God’s eyes, unless there is no heaven or afterlife.

Preach it, brother!

The Catholic Left’s problem is that they believe the Church should be a democracy. Nope.

 

[Lapey]

Gun control

Extreme pro: Anyone should be able to own any gun and carry it anywhere at any time
Extreme Con: Only the government should have guns
Moderate: Need to show knowledge of gun laws and demonstrate minimum proficiency - the same as driving a car - before carrying.

What does the second amendment read about your presumption of E-pro, E-con, or moderate? There is no moderate view of gun control. The second amendment give the right to keep and bare arms, the court has ruled this is an individual right, so to make a law restricting this right is unconstitutional.

Louisiana just passed a constitutional amendment to weigh each gun law with “strict prejudice” because the US constitution states the inherent right.

You can bring up whatever you like but moderate is a made up term to make people feel better about being liberal.

Please apply “moderate” to abortion.

 

[qui_est_ce]

If 100% of American Catholics are against the Church, the Church is still correct. Period.

Get this in your head, it does not matter what is modern, or popular, or legal, it matters what is morally right in God’s eyes, unless there is no heaven or afterlife.

I am willing to lose an election on earth rather than burn in Hell for all eternity.

Psalm 2
1Why do the nations protest

and the peoples conspire in vain?a

2Kings on earth rise up

and princes plot together

against the LORD and against his anointed one:*b

3“Let us break their shackles

and cast off their chains from us!”c

4The one enthroned in heaven laughs;

the Lord derides them,d

 

[qui_est_ce]

Preach it, brother!

+1

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

I am willing to lose an election on earth rather than burn in Hell for all eternity.

Psalm 2
1Why do the nations protest

and the peoples conspire in vain?a

2Kings on earth rise up

and princes plot together

against the LORD and against his anointed one:*b

3“Let us break their shackles

and cast off their chains from us!”c

4The one enthroned in heaven laughs;

the Lord derides them,d

 

[Lapey]

If he did win the primary, he wouldn’t win the national election. In these days people want the choice to be between Democrat and Democrat lite.

I do not agree with this, I understand your point; however, I believe the fact that 3 million less people came out for Romney than McCain is very telling. How long has it been since a real conservative was on the ballot and there was a frenzy to go out and vote for him…that would be Reagan. We haven’t had one since. If you would see a pure conservative on the presidential ticket, he/she would win in my opinion.

 

[Lapey]

Moderate on abortion could mean that people accept legal abortion is too widely accepted and too accessible to the individual, to ban effectively at this time, but that there are non-confrontational ways to make headway against it all the same.

Moderate on abortion could mean recognizing that there are ways to turn people against abortion without insulting/demeaning/disrespecting them and hardening their positions.

Moderate on abortion could mean clarifying terminology to reassure people that they will not be condemned as “baby killers” for using the pill or for accepting treatment for life-threatening conditions that results in delivery of a previable fetus.

That’s just for starters…if we’re serious about making headway.

How does a doctor moderately kill a baby?

How is it if I want all children to be allowed to live extreme?

Only way to make headway is to promote the fact that there are two lives involved with every abortion, the mother and the child. This is the stance of the Church and we must inform then conform our consciences to support this as Catholics. There is no other option in God’s truth; in society’s version of truth, yes I agree. We will not be judged by society’s judgment.

 

[qui_est_ce]

I do not agree with this, I understand your point; however, I believe the fact that 3 million less people came out for Romney than McCain is very telling. How long has it been since a real conservative was on the ballot and there was a frenzy to go out and vote for him…that would be Reagan. We haven’t had one since. If you would see a pure conservative on the presidential ticket, he/she would win in my opinion.

So you think Santorum might have won?

 

[meltzerboy]

Interesting read on the Latino Vote, the myths about “social Issues” as being a core foundation of the Latino vote, and the error of thinking simply adopting the more liberal mantra of amnesty and open borders will be a driver for greater Latino vote.

nationalreview.com/corner/332916/why-hispanics-dont-vote-republicans-heather-mac-donald#
*
%between%*I spoke last year with John Echeveste, founder of the oldest Latino marketing firm in southern California, about Hispanic politics. “What Republicans mean by ‘family values’ and what Hispanics mean are two completely different things,” he said. “We are a very compassionate people, we care about other people and understand that government has a role to play in helping people.”
***And a strong reason for that support for big government is that so many Hispanics use government programs. ***U.S.-born Hispanic households in California use welfare programs at twice the rate of native-born non-Hispanic households. And that is because nearly one-quarter of all Hispanics are poor in California, compared to a little over one-tenth of non-Hispanics. Nearly seven in ten poor children in the state are Hispanic, and one in three Hispanic children is poor, compared to less than one in six non-Hispanic children. One can see that disparity in classrooms across the state, which are chock full of social workers and teachers’ aides trying to boost Hispanic educational performance.

*The idea of the “social issues” Hispanic voter is also a mirage. A majority of Hispanics now support gay marriage, a Pew Research Center poll from last month found. The Hispanic out-of-wedlock birth rate is 53 percent, about twice that of whites. *

I would wager a majority of EVERY demographic: young and old, rich and poor, Black and White, except Evangelicals and perhaps Orthodox Jews but including Catholics, now support gay marriage. Hispanics are no different, and neither are African Americans, despite their conservative religious views.

 

[CMatt25]

Nonsense. Two years ago, the tea party began its life in a landslide. Tea Party candidates won seats on Tuesday.

They’ve also lost Senate races and the Presidential candidate who spent months and months catering to them in primaries lost in an Electoral College landslide this yr. We’ve had 2008 and 2010 and now 2012. I wish they were and everyone who voted in this election would get out and vote in midterms. But midterm electorates are not necesarily the same as in Presidential yrs.

 

[pete_29]

If 100% of American Catholics are against the Church, the Church is still correct. Period.

Get this in your head, it does not matter what is modern, or popular, or legal, it matters what is morally right in God’s eyes, unless there is no heaven or afterlife.

 

[Lapey]

So you think Santorum might have won?

I think he had a clear chance of energizing the republican base because of his authentic conservative past, perfect? No, but I think he could have done better. His biggest weakness was his support of past spending, but he did address this in the primary.

 

[CMatt25]

Matt you know my answer, why even post this secular nonsense. Neither the Church nor I care what may be popular thought in society, right is right, truth is truth. You can compromise your soul if you like; I will go down fighting as all the martyrs have throughout Church history. Here I am Lord, send me!

Do you realize how many less saints there would be in heaven right now if they had been willing to sacrifice their values?

Well beyond that I don’t believe I am compromising my soul based on how I vote in secular elections as you apparently believe I am, I posted it because, Lapey, it is an American secular election that we are talking about. No one who voted in the 2012 US election was voting on the next Pope. And America is a land of many faiths and beliefs. It is not a Catholic theocracy. And the law of the land in America is not going to always coincide with your church’s teachings. As much as you may wish it was or that it did.