That is true. However I think one of the main things Obama was running on is that Romney was a greedy business man who didn’t care about the “middle class”. He couldn’t seem to shake that off. Sure it was absurd but I know a lot of people who thought of Romney that way.
Our Creator is a pretty vague term for such an overtly Christian time. I don’t think that is a coincidence…nor do I think that the complete absence in the constitution was an oversight.
You’ve got it backwards, Oldcelt - the answers should have been demanded from Obama - why they kept calling it the fault of the video when they knew otherwise from the beginning. Who gave the orders to stand down and not come to the rescue those being attacked at the embassy? Was Obama in the situation room when the attack was happening and did nothing? Did Obama ignore requests for more security before the attack? Because the press is in the tank for Obama, we’ll never know the answers to those questions.
Name calling, accusing the other side, this is basically all the Obama supporters did. We will see. If America fails, they own it.
The people voted for this. Natural law, natural reason would suggest horrific repercussions to the spiritual and physical environment. Supernatural justice is too terrible to contemplate. I am grateful we are in the age of mercy. Take recourse to that mercy for yourself and your loved ones.
I would say that a pivotal era was the 60’s and 70’s when the new left - radicals from the 60’s entered academia. Prior to that era there were certainly old leftists and more traditional liberals in academia but after the 60’s you had an increasingly Marxist dominance. The left have never won in the marketplace of ideas, until Obama - and even he barely got the majority. Prior to Obama, the country has rejected the ideas of the hard left when up for election (cf 1972 and George McGovern, Mondale in '84, Dukakis in '88).
Let’s see…socialist, communist, Kenyan, terrorist-coddling, secret Muslim, appeaser, apologizer…your correct…the left was terrible and the right talked about nothing but high ideas.
Who in the leadership of the GOP called Obama anything except that he is “a good man” that they disagree with? On the otherhand, the Democrats - Biden, e.g. said that Romney/Ryan “will put you back in chains.” Reid, in a fit of McCarthyism called Romney a tax evader but had no evidence whatsoever. The Republicans, according to Obama, didn’t care about clean water or clean air and didn’t care about “kids with autism.” The Democrats are the best at demonizing and dividing in order to win elections.
Believe it or not, I actually agree with you…I’m just waiting for the lightening to strike…about the rejection of leftist notions in the 70s and 80s…I just disagree that Obama is a hard leftist. He has some socialist leanings, but the hard left is not happy with him…he is far too centrist for their liking.
Maybe its a west coast thing - I went to college at a Catholic Jesuit University and many of my professors were outright Marxists. (they might have preferred another label, but they were definitely of the hard left). Some were European. Some were ex-60’s radicals. They railed against the “evils of racism, classism, sexism” (homophobia had yet to become an issue). Their lectures were about the capitalist, corporate exploitation of the 3rd world people. etc, etc. I think you get the picture. If you go to any major university you will find that the liberal arts/humanities departments are staffed by leftists. I would recommend reading Thomas Sowell and David Horowitz - himself a former leftist. They have written extensively on the subject (particularly David Horowitz, who has become something of a crusader against campus radicalism).
Apology accepted. And no I don’t want every conservative to fall off a cliff. I want conservatives to begin compromising with a President who was just reelected and with a party that just made gains in the Senate so we don’t all fall off a cliff. Compromise is a 2 way street but with Democrats winning the WH and making the unexpected gains they did in the Senate, the compromise must go somewhat more in their direction. That’s why we have elections. For starters I want the Republicans to compromise and come to the table willing to raise tax rates on the rich and be willing to cut defense spending which are things Obama campaigned and won on. I saw exit polling showing 13% want to go back to Clinton era rates for everyone and 47% want the rates for people making over a quarter of a million dollars a year to go back to the Clinton era rates. That is 60% of the American people who want to go back to Clinton era rates for at least higher incomes. And if they won’t, I don’t know if he will, but I then wouldn’t mind seeing the President do what he said he would do and veto any legislation that arrives on his desk which extends the Bush tax cuts for everyone because we can not afford it. Then take it to the American people and explain the Republicans are still unwilling to raise tax rates by even a dime on the wealthiest. But that he would work to get them to lower rates back for 95+% of the American people. I’m not sure but maybe it could even be done retroactively. In any case then you get what the American people want. It would be simpler if conservatives would just compromise to begin with.
I agree that Obama is a centrist on most issues except life. That’s why I think he is the Democrats version of GW bush. People are gloom and doom now, but I think the GOP keeps the house barring some disaster of some sorts. The Senate will be promising in 2014 as well. I think Obama will end up dissapointing the left and right. I think he’ll reach too far on this religious freedom issue like bush did with immigration. Hopefully enough Dems will silently leave him while the GOP will be motivated. I also think that were are in an era where incumbents just are too hard to beat. A lot of independent voters don’t like change and aren’t very smart when it comes to the issues, so they vote for the incumbent. Things will turn around. I have hope. And if not, well us Catholics will still be here. They can never take away our church without a fight
This was the subject of Kresta in the Afternoon today (radio show). He completely agrees with you. He also called (correctly, i.m.o.) the voting results a demonstration of culture, rather than politics, ethnicity, or anything else. I also completely agree with that, as well.
You really wouldn’t be happy. Even i’d be happy with it. At least most of God’s laws would be respected.
Yeah…your experience is markedly different from mine. I would have been annoyed too if my Profs were taking up my time with political rants. I have very fond memories of one history Prof who quite openly said…“Remember, you are getting history according to Thomas (his last name). Don’t accept what I say as absolute fact…check it for yourselves.”
As I said earlier, the worries about the demise of the GOP are very premature. For a dead party, they sure hold a bunch of powerful positions. I think they will be around to annoy me for many years to come.
Obama is a leftist, not a centrist. If he hasn’t rammed through every leftist program it is because of political reality - he couldn’t win with only leftist base -he needed gullible people to think “he’s a centrist.” He is a European style socialist, and is successfully moving our country in that direction.
The control of congress and/or the presidency may go back and forth, but I regret that with the re-election of Obama our journey to the dark side is complete. It will be very difficult to go back and undo what has been decades in the making. Alexis De Tocqueville was correct in predicting the demise of our republic - when the congress realizes it can bribe the public with the public’s money, our democracy is over.
I have no more of an agenda than anyone else. We have different agendas. Mine is to discuss various faiths and politics respectfully. And I’m not saying you do not do this but to do so without for instance calling people evil or the majority of the electorate fools. The latter which I just saw someone say back there. But that’s ok if you don’t think I answered your question. I did twice. This will be the third so I won’t bother a 4th. Of course Christians believe God is sovereign. But my answer is not everyone agrees on the interpretation of what His divine law is. God bless you Tigg in your faith and political journey and peace be with you.
