Conservatives Demand Kids of Gays be Expelled

[Brad]

TarAshly:

why is it unfortunate that an unwanted baby found a loving caring home?

A loving and caring home is not what God created for raising. familes. He created a one man, one woman relationship for life, with love that comes from putting Christ at the foundation of this relationship.

2 men living together have rejected Christ as their foundation as they refuse His plan for our most basic institution and the first covenenant of salvation. Therefore, there love can only ever be imperfect.

Are there other imperfect marriages and single-parent households? Sure. But the possibility still remains. Although circumstances are less than ideal, they can be temporary and the true nature of marriage still has a chance. With 2 men or 2 women living together, or even 2 unmarried members of the opposite sex living together, the possibility is rejected. God’s will is essentially discarded.

 

[fix]

This a story about two homosexuals with a political agenda. Why do they want to put this child in a school that they know teaches their lifestyle is a grave sin. It appears to be a set up. The “gay” agenda rolls on.

 

[manualman]

One might question just why it is that a gay couple would want to send their child to a catholic school.

Personally, I am appalled at the state of catholic education today. Having spent 8 years in one and knowing people that teach in them now, it appears to me that most catholic schools today are nothing more than public schools with a religion class tacked on. In this region, the major parental motivator seems to be the athletic programs. In some others, it is the superior academic performance.

In my opinion, the purpose of catholic schools should be to teach youngsters basic knowledge, critical thinking/logic, natural law, history informed by catholic perspective, and the truths of the faith. If this were so, math, science, social studies, even gym class would be fundamentally different than at the public schools. And people diametrically opposed to church teachings would not be attracted to them. Instead the two are indistinguishable except that catholic schools retain the ability to discipline and even expel disruptive students, whereas the public schools no longer have any real disciplinary recourse.

I see two possibilities here.

1. The ‘couple’ sees the catholic school as providing a better education than the other options. or, more cynically,
2. They believe/hope that everyone opposed to the normalization of sodomy is merely prejudiced and bigotted and that exposure to a real life person with homosexual parents will aid the cause of making the next generation consider homosexuality as normal and acceptable. Any homosexual who can read knows that the Catholic Church will be the biggest obstacle to total public acceptance. Could not some be looking for ways to undermine her?

Perhaps I’m too cynical. But from watching the behavior of the “10 Percent Society” in college, I’d put nothing past some kinds of activists.

Either way, if the school is authentically catholic (Lord have mercy), there is no reason to exclude the child, just to beware the motives of the parent. After all, we are talking about kindergarten here, folks.

 

[fix]

***CONSIDERATIONS REGARDING PROPOSALS
TO GIVE LEGAL RECOGNITION
TO UNIONS
BETWEEN HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS

As experience has shown, the absence of sexual complementarity in these unions creates obstacles in the normal development of children who would be placed in the care of such persons. They would be deprived of the experience of either fatherhood or motherhood. Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children*, in the sense that their condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development. This is gravely immoral and in open contradiction to the principle, recognized also in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, that the best interests of the child, as the weaker and more vulnerable party, are to be the paramount consideration in every case.

 

[Jay74]

fix:

This a story about two homosexuals with a political agenda. Why do they want to put this child in a school that they know teaches their lifestyle is a grave sin. It appears to be a set up. The “gay” agenda rolls on.

This is a fair point. If they want to send their children to a school that opposes their lifestyle, they should be prepared to have their lifestyle condemned in that school.

It is also a point of fear–what if our activist courts, our little Judicial Dictators, step in and forbid the school from teaching the bible? I dont’ put anything past our courts anymore.

I think the “parents” should have to sign a waiver that the school does not have to alter their doctrine to accomodate the students or their parents–and if the “parents” can’t deal with that, then they should find another school.

 

[Brad]

Jay74:

This is a fair point. If they want to send their children to a school that opposes their lifestyle, they should be prepared to have their lifestyle condemned in that school.

It is also a point of fear–what if our activist courts, our little Judicial Dictators, step in and forbid the school from teaching the bible? I dont’ put anything past our courts anymore.

I think the “parents” should have to sign a waiver that the school does not have to alter their doctrine to accomodate the students or their parents–and if the “parents” can’t deal with that, then they should find another school.

If only we could rely on Catholic schools to condemn alternative lifestyles rather than support them. It seems, the higher the grade level of Catholic school (high school, college), the more we can rely on them to teach the opposite of Church teaching.

 

[larryo]

As a traditional Catholic in California, I think the Diocese of Orange made the correct decision in allowing the children of homosexual parents to remain in Catholic school. Dr. Donohue’s news release sums up the situation well.

 

[fix]

The Vatican is against homosexual adoption.

 

[katherine2]

dumspirospero:

Well…in that case, God bless them…but that does not excuse their lifestyle and I will pray they will change it.

Nor does it excuse those who would rather see a baby die that raised by two gaymen (or, more mildly, thier child expelled from a catholic school).

I’ll pray for the group of hateful parents at this school.

 

[Brad]

katherine2:

Nor does it excuse those who would rather see a baby die that raised by two gaymen (or, more mildly, thier child expelled from a catholic school).

I’ll pray for the group of hateful parents at this school.

Calling them “hateful” is not showing them any compassion and it is also not considering unknown aspects of the situation not reported in the article.

Also, no babies die because homosexuals cannot adopt them. Babies die because people kill them.

 

[TarAshly]

Brad:

If only we could rely on Catholic schools to condemn alternative lifestyles rather than support them. It seems, the higher the grade level of Catholic school (high school, college), the more we can rely on them to teach the opposite of Church teaching.

there is a difference between teaching the opposite of doctrine and teaching humanity and compassion and open mindedness. why should Catholic children be taught not to form their own opinions to think for themselves. should we make them mindless heartless doctrinal robots?

 

[fix]

TarAshly:

there is a difference between teaching the opposite of doctrine and teaching humanity and compassion and open mindedness. why should Catholic children be taught not to form their own opinions to think for themselves. should we make them mindless heartless doctrinal robots?

What is truth?

 

[fix]

katherine2:

Nor does it excuse those who would rather see a baby die that raised by two gaymen (or, more mildly, thier child expelled from a catholic school).

I’ll pray for the group of hateful parents at this school.

Straw man argument. You should get onboard with the Church and speak out against homosexual adoption as it causes violence to our children.

 

[dumspirospero]

Sorry…but you have been a victim of the Political Correctness Movement…pleaes tell me why I should be openminded and tolerant of something I know is an abomination and that God forbids?

TarAshly:

there is a difference between teaching the opposite of doctrine and teaching humanity and compassion and open mindedness. why should Catholic children be taught not to form their own opinions to think for themselves. should we make them mindless heartless doctrinal robots?

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Remember, Tar, a well informed conscience cannot be in opposition to the church’s dogmatic teachings, and in so far as doctrine and discipline it would be so rare as to be almost non-existent to dissent to the point of disbelief.

 

[Nicole]

TarAshly:

the worlds adoption programs are unfortunate. a baby being a black market trade is unfortunate. not this.

Veering more off topic, I’m not sure why you would make this generalization. You are saying people should be open-minded below, yet you make a generalization that ‘the worlds adoption programs are unfortunate.’

Having just adopted a child internationally, I can say that yes, sometimes the red tape is horrendous to the point of causing harmful delays, but many regulations are in place in many programs to allow transparency in the process and insure that it is not a ‘black market trade.’ There is room for corruption in any process, including adoptions, but it is hurtful to those who have weathered the process to make a statement like you did.

God Bless,
Nicole

 

[Nicole]

Tar Ashley,

Veering more off topic, I’m not sure why you would make this generalization regarding adoption “'the worlds adoption programs are unfortunate.”

Having just adopted a child internationally, I can say that yes, sometimes the red tape is horrendous to the point of causing harmful delays, but many regulations are in place in many programs to allow transparency in the process and insure that it is not a ‘black market trade.’ There is room for corruption in any process, including adoptions, but it is hurtful to those who have weathered the process to make a statement like you did.

Below you call for open-mindedness, but that means for all issues, not just the ones you choose to show compassion for. That means adoptions and Amber Frey too.

God Bless,
Nicole

 

[TarAshly]

Nicole:

Veering more off topic, I’m not sure why you would make this generalization. You are saying people should be open-minded below, yet you make a generalization that ‘the worlds adoption programs are unfortunate.’

Having just adopted a child internationally, I can say that yes, sometimes the red tape is horrendous to the point of causing harmful delays, but many regulations are in place in many programs to allow transparency in the process and insure that it is not a ‘black market trade.’ There is room for corruption in any process, including adoptions, but it is hurtful to those who have weathered the process to make a statement like you did.

God Bless,
Nicole

Nicole i myself have worked in orphanages in Mexico. i have seen first hand the adoption policies of the world as my aunt went through years of red tape and money money money to get a baby and never got one until she did a private adoption with a 15 year old girl and her family. my husband and i have also been told that it would be near impossible for us to adopt if we were unable to concieve because we are not in the preferred income brakett and because of my husbands illness. i will not retract my statement because i have seen this first hand. it is no generalization.

 

[Lilyofthevalley]

Katherine2 you are basically stating the reason there are so many abortions is there is a shortage of gay couples who can adopt? That reasoning really doesn’t make any sense.
The reason for abortion are different from that.

 

[TarAshly]

i dont think shes stating that at all i think shes stating that adoptions prevent abortions. i dont think its a gay issue at all.