Contemporary music at mass

[Walking_Home]

And here is another one for you -----from a 3rd traditionalist site:

This isn’t about “beating,” it’s about the husband’s right to assert order and justice in the house including, but not limited to, corporal administration of that justice.

What’s not Catholic is to assert that women have an equal role in the household to their husbands, and exempting them from any corporal punishment is asserting just that. That’s pure modernism / feminism.

I can only assume you never knew many Catholic old timers from the Old World. The husband was unquestionably the boss in those marriages, and he was unafraid to use his God-given size and strength to assert that fact if need be.

 

[alice24]

This is as funny as cruel and false.

A good old ordinary late medieval houswife had a large keyring on her belt for managing the incoming money. I would not mess with that ladies.

But seriously, this is just disturbing and NOT to be seen apart from the community as “a few strange fundamentalists”. They do have a lobby, and part of this lobby is writing in this this thread.

 

[whyeyeman]

They prohibit lending money at interest as the practical application of the doctrine that usury is sinful.
I don’t think it says that usury is defined as lending at interest.

 

[exnihilo]

That is an interesting topic and one I’ve never been satisfied with the explanations. As you point out it seems to be a change. Unfortunately if pressed too hard into service to show that the Church changes teaching it shows just that. And the consequence is a Church that isn’t infallible. And the consequences of that is that there is no truth we can cling to.

 

[whyeyeman]

Please read my previous comments as I have explained all I need to explain. God bless.

 

[whyeyeman]

There is no contradiction.

Usury is lending at excessive interest. In an age when most of the world lived in poverty, and modern banking had not developed, ‘excessive’ meant lending at any interest rate whatsoever.

However, in modern times, people are richer and we have regulated and established banking system. In this context, lending at, say, 1% interest is not excessive.

The absolute truth still remains: usury, that is, lending at excessive rates of interest, is wrong.

 

[pnewton]

Your “card” is as disingenuous as those you bandy the word about. Whether one uses the word carelessly, or discounts its inconvenient consequences when it is used correctly, I remember that this card was first played by Jesus, and most recently by the Pope. A disciple should be more open to learning than playing games.

 

[Walking_Home]

Here is another quote – from the Fisheater’s link. This one by a traditionalist woman. On top of the abuse a battered woman has already suffered – she “needs” more slaps.

I have noticed that every battered woman I’ve ever met has the uncanny ability to make me feel like I want to slap her. Getting slapped around doesn’t change the inherent flaw in someone’s personality. They have to decide to change on their own.

 

[alice24]

Here is another quote – from the Fisheater’s link. This one by a traditionalist woman. On top of the abuse a battered woman has already suffered – she “needs” more slaps.

I have noticed that every battered woman I’ve ever met has the uncanny ability to make me feel like I want to slap her. Getting slapped around doesn’t change the inherent flaw in someone’s personality. They have to decide to change on their own.

A regular reaction of women who were abused, too. They do react often in such a way when they see other people being abused.

 

[whyeyeman]

What are you hoping all these quotes will achieve? Do you want him to tell you that evil people exist in the world?

 

[oldgraymare2]

I agree with you.

I was in Music Ministry for years.

I also have a music background.

One of my pastors was a musician. He told us what kind of music and instruments were acceptable for Mass. I had to know myself, as I used to play the piano for awhile before weekly prayer devotions, so I had to select appropriate music to play during that time.

That’s all that would matter to me too, pnewton.

I don’t mean this comment with any disrespect to anyone else at all, but I think that sometimes when people have their own thoughts about what is appropriate for Mass regarding music, they have probably not been involved in their own parish’s Music Ministry to know how things operate there.

They are probably not aware of how the music is chosen for their parish Masses, how the parish operates off a budget, what type of a choir the parish has, and all of the other factors that go into everything regarding the Music Ministry of the parish.

 

[Walking_Home]

Yes evil exists – and from has been quoted – it is being circulated as part of an “authentic” Catholic marriage.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I think this is where people (such as us) differ on a lot of things. I see Catholic teaching as a set of guiding principles coming initially from Jesus and through the early Church fathers, that do not change, but many outward interpretations of them may adjust over time to form a living Faith.

I’m sure that 150 years ago, Catholics would have been aghast at ideas such as Lutherans perhaps going to Heaven. Yet today this is accepted. The basic principle or teaching did not change, only the interpretation. There are many such examples.

Some see this as evil creeping modernism, and some see it as a natural evolution as mankind grows in wisdom and love of the Lord and love of neighbor.

 

[exnihilo]

I understand how some things can change. But I also understand how some things can not change. It is a complex issue and depends on the particular teaching. But in my opinion people are too eager to engage in mental gymnastics to justify modern sensibilities.

 

[Indyann]

I may be young, but at least I can see that the world is a horrible place, inhabited by demons and sinful men.

If you go through life with that attitude, you are in for one sad life. The world is a beautiful place. Yes, there are sinful men that do horrible things. But by your statement you are insulting God, who created this wonderful world.

 

[Indyann]

I bet you cannot find one liberal or a conservative who has even seen a clown Mass.

 

[Boler]

But by your statement you are insulting God

Why are you and others giving @whyeyeman such a hard time? He’s just making a point, not asserting a gnostic “matter is evil” claim.

Another post said, “Aw cute” in condescension towards him over a discussion of male/female differences, because of his age. Was that necessary, or mature? He clarified that he’s not saying women shouldn’t work or that men and women don’t have equal dignity. He rejected the myth of a “pay gap” which I also believe has pretty much been debunked. He stated men and women should receive equal pay for equal work. I don’t understand why this invites so much criticism.

He acknowledged the development of doctrine but still got hammered over that. Catholic teaching still holds that usury is morally impermissible.

Perhaps there’s a misunderstanding in distinguishing between discipline and doctrine, or defining the essential truth of a teaching (as opposed to its misunderstandings or oversimplifications). But the condescension isn’t necessary. Why does quoting the CoT have to invite a comment like:

No, you aren´t. If you want to go all 15th century, please take off the internet and learn a job. Don´t forget your herbs against yersinia pestis.

 

[twf]

He was a Jew by birth and I believe that song reflects his Jewish heritage… but regardless, only hymns approved by the competent authority should be used in the Church’s Liturgy.

 

[Mavzylor]

Wow, this thread turned into a whole party bag of topics. I only skimmed the nearly 400 replies, but you’ve got homosexuality in there, some roles of the sexes, even saw the words “liberal” and “conservative” in one reply. Fun stuff, wish I’d kept up the thread now. And to think it all stemmed from a debate on strumming strings vs pressing keys to blow pipes.

 

[whyeyeman]

Council of Trent, Session 6:

“Nevertheless, let those who think themselves to stand, take heed lest they fall, and, with fear and trembling work out their salvation, in labours, in watchings, in almsdeeds, in prayers and oblations, in fastings and chastity: for, knowing that they are born again unto a hope of glory, but not as yet unto glory, they ought to fear for the combat which yet remains with the flesh, with the world, with the devil, wherein they cannot be victorious, unless they be with God’s grace, obedient to the Apostle, who says; We are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh; for if you live according to the flesh, you shall die; but if by the spirit you mortify the deeds of the flesh, you shall live.”

St John Eudes, the Admirable Heart of Mary:
““Keep in thy heart the feelings which are in the Heart of Mary, the Mother of
Jesus.” These principal feelings are:
i. Horror and abomination for every kind of sin.
ii. Hatred and scorn for this corrupt world and everything pertaining to it.
iii. The lowest possible esteem, and even of scorn and hatred, toward self.
iv. Profound esteem, respect and love for all the things of God and His Church.
v. Veneration and love for the Cross”

Creation is beautiful, but it is corrupted by original sin and fallen angels.