Contemporary music at mass

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Truth doesn’t change. There is no “adjustment”. Doctrinal development does not mean that doctrine changes.
 
I am giving him a “hard time”, because it is very sad to see someone so young see the world in the manner he describes. He is so young and there is enough evil in the world without the preconceived notion that the “world is a horrible place, inhabited by sinful men and demons.” How sad is that? Evil is with us, but to expect to find it at every turn is not conducive to the joy that is expected of Christians.
 
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We clearly disagree on this point and about 100 other things.
Isn’t it wonderful that our Church provides such a broad umbrella that we can both be members and love God together despite our divergent views.
 
I agree with you that Christianity is supposed to be loving and joyful, following the example of Christ who balanced his suffering with many happy moments spent with his family and friends.

However, for some people, the world indeed is a horrible place for one reason or another, and it may continue to be that way for them no matter how much we preach joy.
 
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There is no room for opinion on this subject. The truth is absolute.
 
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Jesus didn’t play this card to deflect actual concerns and questions. Only Protestants and Modernists use this card to shut up “trads” when they don’t approve of Novus Ordo Mass, Versus Populum, or worldly contemporary music at mass.
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I am sure no true Scotsman would ever use it. I know it is misused, but misuse must not discount the legitimacy of those who use it properly. The Gospel this last week showed how it can be used properly, and the proper remedy of humility.

Most of us here have a respect for the traditional, even those parts of traditional spirituality that do not appeal to us. My favorite response to rigidity is Philippians 2, where Paul tells us the remedy to strife is to have each look after the needs of others rather than their own, and to do so with humility. Those that shut down the “trads”, as you called them, for wanting to shut down all contemporary music, the ordinary Mass or whatever, are hypocrites. They make the same error of trying to make their needs more important than the needs of others. I am all for shutting down the error of intolerance, but room must be left for that which also ministers to the intolerant, to avoid intolerance in oneself.

I know this sounds weird. I just know practically how I try to work it out.
 
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There is no room for opinion on this subject. The truth is absolute.
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The key of C is absolute, but it is not truth. Truth only applies to God, and those things which are revealed in his Word. It does not apply to most of what we do, as we are not God. This is not relativism. It is humility.
 
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whyeyeman said:
Creation is beautiful, but it is corrupted by original sin and fallen angels.
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Acts 10:14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
 
pnewton said:
The key of C is absolute, but it is not truth. Truth only applies to God, and those things which are revealed in his Word. It does not apply to most of what we do, as we are not God. This is not relativism. It is humility.
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No, that is relativism. Is the statement you just made true? If not then I should not and can not believe it. If true then it undermines the claim being made.
 
What is relativism? That key signatures are a matter of doctrine, or that you are God?

Was your breakfast truth? Is the job you go to truth? Are the color of vestments truth? Is the music we sing truth?

I stand by what I said. If “Pharisee” is bandied about carelessly, I have seen “relativism” misused ten times for every once I have seen relativism, modernism or humanism misused. These words are thrown around as much as “liberals” and Nazis.
 
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Truth only applies to God, and those things which are revealed in his Word. It does not apply to most of what we do, as we are not God.
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I haven’t noticed relativism or modernism being really misued. Humanism can be misused, depending on what time period you refer to.

Relativism is a very popular ideology.
 
I love traditional devotions. I love that there are now Latin Masses available where I can worship like my mother and her family did way before I was born.

That doesn’t mean I think the new form of the Mass is bad. I think it served to get more people engaged in and aware of the Mass. I have seen beautiful Masses in both forms.

The problem happens when either the OF or the EF group claims their way is the one and only good way and the other way is deficient. We should be able to peacefully accept that both forms have their place.
 
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God made all meats clean for men to eat with the arrival of the new covenant. I don’t understand how this is relevant.
 
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Indyann said:
Evil is with us, but to expect to find it at every turn is not conducive to the joy that is expected of Christians
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“To thee do we turn, morning and weeping in this vale of tears.” Is that not conducive to the joy expected of Christians?

It’s just one aspect or mode of speaking of the world. And he was saying that in the context of defending himself against constant ad hominems about his age. In fact, in that same post he said:
And simply saying “you are young.” Is not a refutation of any of my arguments. Please, if you are willing to debate, answer my points as I have answered yours.
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He has shown far more charity than those who are belittling him.
 
That we ought to hate the world because it has been corrupted by demons and original sin.
Here are some saints who agree with me:

“Know you not that the friendship of this world is the enemy of God? Whosoever therefore will be a friend of this world, becometh an enemy of God.” - St. James the Apostle.

“Turn, then, to God with all your heart. Forsake this wretched world and your soul shall find
rest. Learn to despise external things, to devote yourself to those that are within, and you will see
the kingdom of God come unto you, that kingdom which is peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, gifts
not given to the impious.” Thomas A Kempis, The imitation of Christ.

““Keep in thy heart the feelings which are in the Heart of Mary, the Mother of
Jesus.” These principal feelings are:
i. Horror and abomination for every kind of sin.
ii. Hatred and scorn for this corrupt world and everything pertaining to it.” - St. John Eudes, the Admirable Heart of Mary.
 
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