Contraception is just like bulemia!

[Hitetlen]

It causes the sex act to no longer be something sacred.

There is nothing sacred about a bodily function. Sex is simply an expression of deep feelings between two people. There is nothing “sacred” about it. With animals it is true that sex is strictly aimed at procreation, with humans it is not. Only the human female is willing to accept sex outside the time of oestrus, and at most only 5% of the sexual encounters is explicitly aimed at conception. In a very good sense procreation is the exception, not the norm. Sex is just too good to waste on the procreative act only, and couples outside the reproductive age should not and do not abstain.

 

[luvmykids]

Hitetlen:

Sure. IF someone knows that an experiment will not work as intended, and still goes along with it - just to destroy the result, that is an admission of an error, plain and simple. You (as in general “you” not personal) always try to whitewash God’s actions. It does not work. With power comes responsibility.

Oh, please. God MADE us sinners, KNEW we would sin, and did not do anything about it. Therefore the responsibility is HIS.

You act like you know God and are making assumptions about Him as if He were human. God is God and only He fully understands His plan. And since He created you, He is your God too, whether you recognize Him or not. Assuming that God has responsibility towards anything or anyone is limiting Him and therefore He would not be God.

I think one of the hardest things for humans to understand is that because God loves us so much, He gave us free will. We are not His puppets in some puppet show. He has a greater plan for us. We have this free will, and because He loves us so much He created us whether we choose Him or not. He is all knowing and knows what we will choose, yet He created us anyway. It is part of His divine plan, but it is still OUR choice. You cannot possible understand His love for us nor His divine plan, because you are not God.

Hitetlen:

Sure. IF someone knows that an experiment will not work as intended, and still goes along with it - just to destroy the result, that is an admission of an error, plain and simple. You (as in general “you” not personal) always try to whitewash God’s actions. It does not work. With power comes responsibility.

An experiement is something done to determine what a result will be. God already knows the results of everything. I would not call His creations an “experiment”. He did not destroy anything, He is the creator. He is not admitting any error. I have no idea where you could come up with that logic. God can bring good out of anything. Once again, part of His divine plan.

 

[luvmykids]

Hitetlen:

There is nothing sacred about a bodily function. Sex is simply an expression of deep feelings between two people. There is nothing “sacred” about it. With animals it is true that sex is strictly aimed at procreation, with humans it is not. Only the human female is willing to accept sex outside the time of oestrus, and at most only 5% of the sexual encounters is explicitly aimed at conception. In a very good sense procreation is the exception, not the norm. Sex is just too good to waste on the procreative act only, and couples outside the reproductive age should not and do not abstain.

If you shut God out of the act, then yeah, it’s exactly as you describe it. Nothing sacred about it. You can express these “feelings” with just about anyone you are attracted to, but after a while, it’s not so fulfilling anymore.

 

[luvmykids]

Aquarius:

Just like chewing gum.

Except that you are using the gum for what it is intended. To chew. And you are still getting the calories if it is not sugarless. If it’s sugarless then you are getting the side effects of the artificial sweetener. Which could possibly cause cancer or headaches, and some people can’t even metabolize it. Sorry no camparison to eating food that was inteded for nutritious purposes and then throwing it up.

 

[Aquarius]

luvmykids:

If you shut God out of the act, then yeah, it’s exactly as you describe it. Nothing sacred about it. You can express these “feelings” with just about anyone you are attracted to, but after a while, it’s not so fulfilling anymore.

How do you know what other people find fulfilling?

 

[Aquarius]

luvmykids:

Except that you are using the gum for what it is intended. To chew. And you are still getting the calories if it is not sugarless. If it’s sugarless then you are getting the side effects of the artificial sweetener. Which could possibly cause cancer or headaches, and some people can’t even metabolize it. Sorry no camparison to eating food that was inteded for nutritious purposes and then throwing it up.

I suppose if one can use chewing gum for what it is intended, one could also use a condom for what it is intended.

If eating is intended to provide nourishment, then chewing gum thwarts that intent. Enjoying the taste and texture without the nourishment is not taking the act of eating to its intended conclusion. Every time. All the time.

 

[luvmykids]

Aquarius:

I suppose if one can use chewing gum for what it is intended, one could also use a condom for what it is intended.

If eating is intended to provide nourishment, then chewing gum thwarts that intent. Enjoying the taste and texture without the nourishment is not taking the act of eating to its intended conclusion. Every time. All the time.

You are now confusing the analogy. The sex is inteded for the purpose of unity and procreation, not one without the other. The condom is what thwarts that intent. Trying to have the pleasure of sex without the intended purpose for it or the consequences of it.

Chewing gum is not thwarting any intent. It is for chewing, not swallowing or getting nourishment. Why do you think the bulimics don’t just chew the food and spit it out, rather than swallow it and throw it up?

 

[luvmykids]

Aquarius:

How do you know what other people find fulfilling?

If it is so fulfilling, then why is the divorce rate so high? Why is monogomy such a problem?
Stats show the divorce rate among those using NFP is extremely low.

 

[cynic]

Aquarius:

I suppose if one can use chewing gum for what it is intended, one could also use a condom for what it is intended.

If eating is intended to provide nourishment, then chewing gum thwarts that intent. Enjoying the taste and texture without the nourishment is not taking the act of eating to its intended conclusion. Every time. All the time.

so sex is ony intended for making babies?

 

[Aquarius]

luvmykids:

You are now confusing the analogy. The sex is inteded for the purpose of unity and procreation, not one without the other. The condom is what thwarts that intent. Trying to have the pleasure of sex without the intended purpose for it or the consequences of it.

Chewing gum is not thwarting any intent. It is for chewing, not swallowing or getting nourishment. Why do you think the bulimics don’t just chew the food and spit it out, rather than swallow it and throw it up?

Chewing gum is intended for the pleasure of taste and texture without completion of the nourishment function. It is having the pleasure of taste and texture without the intended purpose for it or the consequences of it.

If it’s OK to use the implement for its intended puspose, then we can say both chewing gum and condoms are being used for their intended purpose. Each thwarts a natural intent.

 

[Aquarius]

luvmykids:

If it is so fulfilling, then why is the divorce rate so high? Why is monogomy such a problem?
Stats show the divorce rate among those using NFP is extremely low.

I didn’t say it wasn’t fulfilling. I asked how you know it is not. I wouldn’t presume to tell everyone else what they find fulfilling.

 

[Aquarius]

cynic:

so sex is ony intended for making babies?

I see no reason to think that, but many here think that intention is necessary.

I think chewing gum is OK, too.

 

[Hitetlen]

luvmykids:

If you shut God out of the act, then yeah, it’s exactly as you describe it. Nothing sacred about it. You can express these “feelings” with just about anyone you are attracted to, but after a while, it’s not so fulfilling anymore.

And how would you know that? I have been loving my wife passionately for 25 years now, and the love has not diminshed - actually it is even more fulfilling now, and keeps on getting better. It is not for me to make judgment about you, so why do you assume that you can make judgment about me?

Let me ask you: when you embrace your spouse, do you visualize God as a Peeping Tom in your bedroom? Becuase this is the picture you paint about him. A jealous entity, who wants to micromanage every facet of your (love)life. It is prescribed and proscribed how an embrace can and cannot occur, where the male ejaculation can happen, otherwise it is a “sin”. You are the one who diminishes God, not I.

 

[luvmykids]

Aquarius:

Chewing gum is intended for the pleasure of taste and texture without completion of the nourishment function. It is having the pleasure of taste and texture without the intended purpose for it or the consequences of it.

If it’s OK to use the implement for its intended puspose, then we can say both chewing gum and condoms are being used for their intended purpose. Each thwarts a natural intent.

I have no idea how you got off on this tangent, but the initial analogy was likening bulimia to the use of contraception, not condoms to chewing gum. Then you started to argue about how chewing gum was like bulimia and now it’s like condoms?

 

[Aquarius]

luvmykids:

I have no idea how you got off on this tangent, but the initial analogy was likening bulimia to the use of contraception, not condoms to chewing gum. Then you started to argue about how chewing gum was like bulimia and now it’s like condoms?

Chewing gum is thwarting a natrual nourishing function.

Using a condom is thwarting a natural reproductive function.

Bulemia is thwarting a natural nourishing function.

If we are going to play the analogy game, then we might as well have fun.

 

[luvmykids]

Hitetlen:

And how would you know that? I have been loving my wife passionately for 25 years now, and the love has not diminshed - actually it is even more fulfilling now, and keeps on getting better. It is not for me to make judgment about you, so why do you assume that you can make judgment about me?

Let me ask you: when you embrace your spouse, do you visualize God as a Peeping Tom in your bedroom? Becuase this is the picture you paint about him. A jealous entity, who wants to micromanage every facet of your (love)life. It is prescribed and proscribed how an embrace can and cannot occur, where the male ejaculation can happen, otherwise it is a “sin”. You are the one who diminishes God, not I.

You are the one who compared this supposedly loving passionate act with your wife as just another bodily function, not I.

And no God is not a peeping Tom getting jealous, those are YOUR words. Read some material about Humanae Vitae, I think that will paint you a better picture. Try Christopher West.

 

[luvmykids]

Aquarius:

Chewing gum is thwarting a natrual nourishing function.

Using a condom is thwarting a natural reproductive function.

Bulemia is thwarting a natural nourishing function.

If we are going to play the analogy game, then we might as well have fun.

Chewing gum is NOT thwarting a natural function. People who chew gum still get hungry and eat, right? At least where I’m from they do.

 

[Aquarius]

Here’s an example of where the Church teachings run into trouble. Someone stands up and tells the rest of us our actions are not fulfilling.

The rest of us look around and say, “Who? Me? Sorry, they are fulfilling. How on earth would you know my situation?” Then we shrug, and ignore the guy.

 

[gardenswithkids]

Aquarius:

If it’s OK to use the implement for its intended puspose, then we can say both chewing gum and condoms are being used for their intended purpose.

Who said it is always okay to use man made items for ther intended purpose? Humans can think up all sorts of horrible devices that should never be used. The earlier point was we should use the things created by God for the purpose He intened.

 

[Aquarius]

luvmykids:

Chewing gum is NOT thwarting a natural function. People who chew gum still get hungry and eat, right? At least where I’m from they do.

Using condoms is not thwarting a natural function. People who use condoms still have kids.