Contract Urges Catholic School Teachers to Live Moral Teachings

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It is great to see that this contract is being done to uphold the moral values of the church.
Across the US, the different diocese are changing their teacher contracts so that the" faith and morals" clause will stand up in court. In recent years, several lawsuits have shown the weakness of current contracts, and the local diocese wound up paying the cost.

Whether Diocese of Honolulu’s new 24 page contract will stand up in court remains to be seen. However, you can bet that its strengths and weaknesses will be studied by other diocese as court challenges arise. Together, the various diocese will eventually come up with a winning solution.
 
This is a story happening all across the US, we are experiencing the change of contracts in the Archdiocese of Cincinnati. Many, many “Catholics” are opposing the changes and have begun a letter writing campaign in hopes of stopping the implementation of it like what happened in Santa Rosa, CA. Here is that story.
cardinalnewmansociety.org/CatholicEducationDaily/DetailsPage/tabid/102/ArticleID/2081/Bishop-Vasa-Postpones-Teacher-Contract-Addendum.aspx
Seems like they plan to have the changes but after they reteach the Catholic catechism to everyone.
 
Very much needed today; since the majority are lay teachers.
The key in such contractual changes is how the school, an extension of the parish, defines the teacher’s role in an ecclesiastical sense. For the parish to uphold the moral requirements, they must effectively and clearly define the teachers as a *minister *in the Church.

Now this would be a form of extraordinary ministerial work, of course. But this also goes in line with the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in Hosanna-Tabor vs. EEOC, where the Court dismissed a fired teacher’s case because the Court ruled that they had no authority in defining, hiring or firing ministerial employees for a religion. The employee worked for a Lutheran school.

So, while a teacher would still have employment rights for non-religious infractions under the EEOC, should they commit a violation that undermines their obligations to live and teach the Catholic faith as required by contract, then the parish would have grounds to dismiss a teacher for opposing their work as an extraordinary minister to the students in the school. Hopefully the contracts and training will tighten up what loopholes existed and offer a better chance to catechize Catholic teachers and ensure that non-Catholic teachers realize they their individual desires cannot be inconsistent with Catholic teaching, of which they must represent as a Catholic school teacher.
 
It is but somehow it will be criticized by other Catholics.
The Catholics most likely to criticize it will be the ones who repeatedly skip Mass, rarely if ever go to Confession, and are already picking and choosing which Church teaching to accept and reject anyways. But unfortunately, you’re right, there will be critics.
 
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It is great to see that this contract is being done to uphold the moral values of the church.
Agreed. I love it - this is exactly what needs to be done as a trend. Of course it’s bound to get very ugly and painful. But what’s the alternative. It just feels to me like this conflict between Church and secular norms is descending into a kind of one on one spiritual and moral combat. It’s increasingly difficult for Catholics to keep their peace in view of this kind of persistent aggression to undermine our beliefs and practices. It’s the stuff of St. Paul. Each of us is getting a rather unwelcome chance to learn how much commitment we really have to being a religious person - and what we’re made of! 😉
 
Here’s my issue with it. Although some of you will undoubtedly call me not a Catholic, my problem with the public enforcement of morals is not with the enforcement in particular. Rather, it is with the focus on only certain forms of sin. For instance, a teacher in the Cincinnati archdiocese was fired for engaging in sex outside of marriage and then becoming pregnant. However, many priests and bishops were complicit in the sexual abuse of minors. Some were removed from public ministry, but not the majority. Archbishop Myers in Newark is a perfect example of someone who has been shown to actively protect priests who are abusers. Yet, he is building a mansion instead of being released from his duties. And he is not the only one. Many people have said the Church needs to support accused priests because they don’t have financial resources. Yet, this single teacher is likely face a life of poverty too! How can we hold teacher-ministers to one standard when our religious do not abide by the same rules? Are we to believe that only certain mortal sins ought to be included in a contract? If all the church’s ministers held themselves to the same standards, I would have no moral quandry over this. But, these moves smack of power and control rather than substance. If the bishops truly wanted to take a stand on sexual sins, then they would also remove from ministry and financial support all priests who have had credible accusations against them as well as all those who have participated in a public display of scandal.
 
Here’s my issue with it. Although some of you will undoubtedly call me not a Catholic, my problem with the public enforcement of morals is not with the enforcement in particular. Rather, it is with the focus on only certain forms of sin. For instance, a teacher in the Cincinnati archdiocese was fired for engaging in sex outside of marriage and then becoming pregnant. However, many priests and bishops were complicit in the sexual abuse of minors. Some were removed from public ministry, but not the majority. Archbishop Myers in Newark is a perfect example of someone who has been shown to actively protect priests who are abusers. Yet, he is building a mansion instead of being released from his duties. And he is not the only one. Many people have said the Church needs to support accused priests because they don’t have financial resources. Yet, this single teacher is likely face a life of poverty too! How can we hold teacher-ministers to one standard when our religious do not abide by the same rules? Are we to believe that only certain mortal sins ought to be included in a contract? If all the church’s ministers held themselves to the same standards, I would have no moral quandry over this. But, these moves smack of power and control rather than substance. If the bishops truly wanted to take a stand on sexual sins, then they would also remove from ministry and financial support all priests who have had credible accusations against them as well as all those who have participated in a public display of scandal.
I think you are living in the past. Having gone through the original sex abuse cases that were publicized a decade or so back, the Church has almost gone overboard to proclaim Priests and Bishops guilty until proven innocent. There is no point in handwringing or claiming the previous practice of counselling or moving an offending member of the clergy is still going on.

Further it’s not up to us out here in the vast peanut gallery to determine which behavior is prohibited by an employment agreement. Given that Catholic and other religious schools have a different mission than do public schools acts such as sexual activity outside of marriage, openly homosexual relationships or 'marriage," are frequently listed but also being charged with a felony, drug use, sexting or other inappropriate use of social media are also part of certain contracts. As more and more activists promote defiance of employment agreements such as gays/Lesbians who “marry” and then demand their employment be continued, the more careful religious schools must be in writing the contracts. It’s too bad that parents cannot send their children to a Catholic or other religious school and be assured their children are not being subjected to the same behavior that is allowed by public school teachers.

Lisa
 
Here’s my issue with it. Although some of you will undoubtedly call me not a Catholic, my problem with the public enforcement of morals is not with the enforcement in particular. Rather, it is with the focus on only certain forms of sin. For instance, a teacher in the Cincinnati archdiocese was fired for engaging in sex outside of marriage and then becoming pregnant. However, many priests and bishops were complicit in the sexual abuse of minors. Some were removed from public ministry, but not the majority. Archbishop Myers in Newark is a perfect example of someone who has been shown to actively protect priests who are abusers. Yet, he is building a mansion instead of being released from his duties. And he is not the only one. Many people have said the Church needs to support accused priests because they don’t have financial resources.I would have no moral quandry over this. But, these moves smack of power and control rather than substance. If the bishops truly wanted to take a stand on sexual sins, then they would also remove from ministry and financial support all priests who have had credible accusations against them as well as all those who have participated in a public display of scandal.
The solution of clear, private contracts making such stipulations ahead of time is adequate.

And when are people going to stop using the (including alleged only) child sex abuse cases to blunt the proclamation of the Faith?

Why don’t I ever see the same amount of concern with all of the sex scandals in the American public school system?
Yet, this single teacher is likely face a life of poverty too!
Nothing is stopping anyone on here from writing out checks if one is so terribly concerned…
How can we hold teacher-ministers to one standard when our religious do not abide by the same rules? Are
Ah yes! The classic “they do it, too, so why can’t I?”

See how it feels when kids pull this line regarding alcohol, drugs and sex.
we to believe that only certain mortal sins ought to be included in a contract? If all the church’s ministers held themselves to the same standards,
Now, now, don’t forget about the temporal component and consistency standards. Someone who is living together outside of marriage, pregnant outside of marriage or in a homosexual relationship is consistently setting a bad example versus someone who slips out a naughty word or two, which I’ve been is not ordinarily a mortal sin anyways.

It is paramount in Catholic schools because of scandal, which, unfortunately is a forgotten sin.
 
This is a direct consequence of dissenters taking over the media over the last 40 years. In the 1950s and 1960s, the media respected and reflected Christian moral principles. As kids, we were taught to live our faith daily. It was not confined to the Catholic school or Church building, but as the 1960s ended, the radicals and dissidents inside and outside the Church attacked it and public morals and decency. Sure, we knew indecent and immoral things were happening but people kept it to themselves. Today, it’s “Hey. What’s the big deal?”

The Church has not changed her teachings on sexual morality. A teacher in a Catholic institution is just like me where I work. My boss has told all of us: “Whatever you say or do on your own time WILL reflect on the company. If you say the wrong thing, people will accuse the entire company of supporting it. If you do something that makes others look bad, people will accuse the company of supporting your bad actions. So watch what you say and do because as an employee, people WILL accuse the whole company of supporting what you said or did.”

As far as me and the internet: “Everything you write can and will be used against you.”

Not until 1967, in the Land O’ Lakes Statement, did certain Catholic institutions of higher learning decide to break away from the authority of the Church in the name of some false “freedom.” Pope Francis has reminded these Universities of their mission. To be Catholic. To be good examples of the faith. We can’t have it any other way.

In the 1950s and 1960s, you couldn’t even say sex on TV, but starting in the 1970s, things gradually changed, and as each year passed, it got a little worse, then a little more, followed by more worse. Anything goes has got to go.

Public scandal means public scandal. I remember being there in the early 1970s when the big thing was living with your girlfriend without benefit of marriage. Did anyone listen to mom or dad? Heck no. “Leave us alone !!! We’re grown adults !!! We’ll live how we want !!!” "Legalize marijuana !! You oppressors!!! Illegal drugs were cool. Porn was cool. Fornication was A-OK.

Peace,
Ed
 
I think you are living in the past. Having gone through the original sex abuse cases that were publicized a decade or so back, the Church has almost gone overboard to proclaim Priests and Bishops guilty until proven innocent. There is no point in handwringing or claiming the previous practice of counselling or moving an offending member of the clergy is still going on.

Further it’s not up to us out here in the vast peanut gallery to determine which behavior is prohibited by an employment agreement. Given that Catholic and other religious schools have a different mission than do public schools acts such as sexual activity outside of marriage, openly homosexual relationships or 'marriage," are frequently listed but also being charged with a felony, drug use, sexting or other inappropriate use of social media are also part of certain contracts. As more and more activists promote defiance of employment agreements such as gays/Lesbians who “marry” and then demand their employment be continued, the more careful religious schools must be in writing the contracts. It’s too bad that parents cannot send their children to a Catholic or other religious school and be assured their children are not being subjected to the same behavior that is allowed by public school teachers.

Lisa
Well said, Lisa. And may I add that once gay marriage becomes legal in a State, that kids are automatically exposed to storybooks like King and King that promote this. That they experience “diversity days” where teachers introduce their gay partner to the students. What was presented as a few people who just wanted to marry as heterosexuals do, automatically became a reason to indoctrinate kids in public schools who are not mentally or emotionally mature. And it is not a parental notification issue.

One more point: catholicleague.org/sex-abuse-scandal-rocks-public-schools/

Peace,
Ed
 
To be fair, I have never said that sexual sin is OK or that it is not mortal sin. I merely pointed out that we must be careful to avoid hypocrisy. Jesus died for and forgives sin generally. To focus so ardently on only a handful of sins is to forget that “I am just as terrible of a sinner” as the next person. No one is justified before God except through Jesus. I also have never made any comments regarding drugs or other illegal activities. I have never engaged and would certainly encourage others not to as well. But, should they falter, I would try not to cast them out into the cold. Rather, I would attempt to act as Jesus did to sinners- welcoming them back with joy! Anytime our primary focus is not on salvation through Jesus and reaching out to others in his name, I believe that we have lost the true beauty of the Faith. Enshrining a focus on certain sins above others in a legal contract, at least to me, would seem to aid us in pointing out the failings of others rather than encouraging our own repentance. It also does not allow us to demonstrate God’s merciful love, without which there would be no reason for any faith whatsoever. That is all- nothing more and nothing less! As for people who say my comments should be “used against me,” I am disheartened. I will pray for Christian community on CAF.
 
To be fair, I have never said that sexual sin is OK or that it is not mortal sin. I merely pointed out that we must be careful to avoid hypocrisy. Jesus died for and forgives sin generally. To focus so ardently on only a handful of sins is to forget that “I am just as terrible of a sinner” as the next person. No one is justified before God except through Jesus. I also have never made any comments regarding drugs or other illegal activities. I have never engaged and would certainly encourage others not to as well. But, should they falter, I would try not to cast them out into the cold. Rather, I would attempt to act as Jesus did to sinners- welcoming them back with joy! Anytime our primary focus is not on salvation through Jesus and reaching out to others in his name, I believe that we have lost the true beauty of the Faith. Enshrining a focus on certain sins above others in a legal contract, at least to me, would seem to aid us in pointing out the failings of others rather than encouraging our own repentance. It also does not allow us to demonstrate God’s merciful love, without which there would be no reason for any faith whatsoever. That is all- nothing more and nothing less! As for people who say my comments should be “used against me,” I am disheartened. I will pray for Christian community on CAF.
I have to disagree. In the past, it was appropriate to remind others not to do things and to even point out the error of their ways if someone witnessed something happening in public. When I was in Catholic High School, a few boys started a fistfight in the school parking lot. Several nuns approached them and urged them to stop. Which they did. But once they were off school property, they started fighting again.

We must never, ever approve - or worse, far worse - become indifferent to public scandal. If I did wrong as a boy in public, I had neighbors who told me: “Do you want me to tell your mother what you did?” My response: No. “Then clean up this mess.”

We lived in communities and even though we all did not go to the same Church, we had community standards, and people who were good role models to young and old alike. As Pope Benedict pointed out - one of the problems facing the Church is “radical individualism.” Which means, there is no greater authority over me, there is no one, including parents and loved ones, who can tell me what to do. It’s all about ME.

In the 1970s, I watched some of my Catholic classmates accept the lies being spread. Who listened to total strangers telling them to ignore all authority and live and act like they did. What did it get them as more lies were added over the years? Nothing. Nothing good. Bad and rotten fruit. What we have too much of today. Parents who don’t want to be parents. People who want to be moral in public being called hypocrites. People who talk about God in public being called fanatics or worse. And people who want to be “good without God” getting praise. Doing good is fine, but as Catholics, we must imitate Christ. Truth, not ‘Ill make up my own version’ is what matters.

That’s why we have Confession when we fail, not something I read on a message board where I am a moderator - a new creed: “We never want to feel ashamed or sinful or guilty ever again.” So, stop feeling ashamed, forget about what sin is and reject your guilt. The Church cannot promote that. Without feeling an appropriate sense of shame then we reject the limits that God Himself has given to us. When we say we have no sin then the truth is not in us. And if we say we have no guilt about engaging in sinful activity then how are we to confess anything? Where is He in our lives?

Peace,
Ed
 
That’s why we have Confession when we fail, not something I read on a message board where I am a moderator - a new creed: “We never want to feel ashamed or sinful or guilty ever again.” So, stop feeling ashamed, forget about what sin is and reject your guilt. The Church cannot promote that. Without feeling an appropriate sense of shame then we reject the limits that God Himself has given to us. When we say we have no sin then the truth is not in us. And if we say we have no guilt about engaging in sinful activity then how are we to confess anything? Where is He in our lives?

Peace,
Ed

I have never said that we do not need Confession. We do need to confess our sins, recognizing that we are guilty. I believe that shame can actually take us farther away from God, as it can cause despair. I know from personal experience that when I was going through a rough patch and felt awful about it I shied away from the Church out of shame. It was being reminded of God’s willingness to forgive that brought me back. Consider the prodigal son. Yes, he repented. As soon as he did so, his father welcomed him back with open arms and slaughtered the fattened calf. I believe this is a wise pastoral approach. I believe that we are in a habit of focusing intensely on a handful of sins and assuming that those individuals are not repentant. People have pointed out that we don’t know if this woman had sex outside of wedlock once or one thousand times. Imagine if she made a horrible one-time mistake and feels guilty and ashamed. She is contrite and repents but is still fired. Some might say it is an employment agreement, but I find the fact that we want to consider our teachers as lay ministers telling. Ministers have more than a mere job, and the Church’s public activities are different than other employers’ activities. The Church’s role is to proclaim Christ in all her activities. When we as the Church pay no attention to her contrition, we send the message that because her sin falls into a certain category her repentance is not enough. I can only speak based on the scripture, but my impression of Jesus is decidedly different. We, as the corporate Church, have an opportunity to treat her as Jesus treated the sinful women he encountered, encouraging them to move forward and go and sin no more! If I would have observed the living of this message during my childhood in Catholic schools, perhaps I would not have stayed away from the Church when I most desperately needed her. Considering that more than 90% of people falter sexually before marriage, some of the children of today will falter. They need to be taught to repent, but once they have repented, we must show them God’s unfailing mercy. What better way to do so than by having something positive come out of a sinful situation.
 
That’s why we have Confession when we fail, not something I read on a message board where I am a moderator - a new creed: “We never want to feel ashamed or sinful or guilty ever again.” So, stop feeling ashamed, forget about what sin is and reject your guilt. The Church cannot promote that. Without feeling an appropriate sense of shame then we reject the limits that God Himself has given to us. When we say we have no sin then the truth is not in us. And if we say we have no guilt about engaging in sinful activity then how are we to confess anything? Where is He in our lives?
Good intentions and a good heart but please do not try to combine the Church’s willingness to embrace sinners, and Christ’s forgiveness with being able to violate a contract that requires a certain standard of behavior.

We, Christ and the Church are always going to forgive the teacher who decides to “marry” his gay partner or the teacher who is cohabitating. They are always welcome in the Church as we are all fallen.

However doesn’t Jesus say “Go and sin no more?” Why would a school ignore the standards they are to hold as a Catholic teaching institution when these standards are PRECISELY why parents pay so much to send their child to school and why teachers and administrators who themselves hold high standards want to work with others of like mind! Although I do not have children in school now, given the disastrous and overly sexualized, homo-erotic curricula that is part of many school biology/sex education/health programs I would sacrifice everything I had to make sure my child was in an environment where his faith would not be subjected to challenge if not ridicule. Further were I a teacher, I would not want to be working with others who have low standards regarding personal behavior.

Read the news Bioethics and see how rare ETHICS are part of our public schools. We have multiple cases of teachers having sex with students, showing them porn, using drugs, and promoting a gay lifestyle. They cannot be disciplined because of the unions. It’s disgraceful. And teachers who DO have a high standard such as Mr Bill Diss who didn’t want Planned Parenthood in his MATH CLASS were subjected to hateful abuse and termination.

There is something truly rotten in many of our public schools We do not want this to also infest Catholic schools on the misguided theory that this is being charitable.

Lisa
 
Let’s agree to disagree. To me, I would want my children to be learning what I’ve discussed previously. You are free to have your opinion. As someone who does work at a public institution I am glad to have been exposed to all kinds of beliefs. I can maintain my faith despite outside influences because I dealt with it in a safe environment previously. I respect your right to parent as you see fit. I would ask though that I not be seen as less Catholic because I disagree with procedure. I have shown no disagreement with Catholic dogma.
 
Let’s agree to disagree. To me, I would want my children to be learning what I’ve discussed previously. You are free to have your opinion. As someone who does work at a public institution I am glad to have been exposed to all kinds of beliefs. I can maintain my faith despite outside influences because I dealt with it in a safe environment previously. I respect your right to parent as you see fit. I would ask though that I not be seen as less Catholic because I disagree with procedure. I have shown no disagreement with Catholic dogma.
OK just so I get it…you have no objection to your children being taught by openly gay teachers, teachers who are co-habitating, get pregnant out of wedlock or who support Planned Parenthood (these are ALL actual cases)?

OOOOOKAYYYYY…let’s just say we have completely different outlooks regarding who should be teaching at Catholic schools.

Lisa
 
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