Contradicting verses

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Guardian said:
Now, while people here are quoting the Catechism (CCC 107) saying the Bible is inerrant only in things necessary for our salvation is simply false. The Catechism is not aligning with the infallible claims of the Church throughout the centuries. The Church has stated time and time again the Scriptures are inerrant on everything it asserts to be true, regardless if it’s for our salvation or not.
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Thanks for the clarification, Guardian. My point was that, at least in matters of salvation, we can trust the bible to be inerrant. It may well be inerrent even beyond that, but I just don’t want anyone worrying that errors in scripture could compromise their salvation. I am sure you would agree there, given there is no real “error” in scripture anyway 🙂

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Guardian said:
Now, while people here are quoting the Catechism (CCC 107) saying the Bible is inerrant only in things necessary for our salvation is simply false. The Catechism is not aligning with the infallible claims of the Church throughout the centuries. The Church has stated time and time again the Scriptures are inerrant on everything it asserts to be true, regardless if it’s for our salvation or not.
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You seem to be making two claims here. One, that the Catechism is not teaching the faith correctly regarding the nature of Scripture, and two, that Scripture is true in every fact presented. These are radical claims, if I read you correctly.
 
VociMike said:
You seem to be making two claims here. One, that the Catechism is not teaching the faith correctly regarding the nature of Scripture, and two, that Scripture is true in every fact presented. These are radical claims, if I read you correctly.
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Actually, I would like to reclarify myself. The Catechism is being misinterpreted into saying the Bible is inerrant only in things necessary for our salvation. CCC 107 is quoting the Vatican II document Dei Verbum.

Read this. Especially under the subcategory “Some Problems” and “Vatican II”
 
Saint Augustine,
These are copyists mistakes. Once and while, it occurred when scriptures were recopied. The original texts were perfect but the copies had some small mistakes (human mistakes).Nothing to change the revelation.
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The thread answers the basic charge pretty well, but there is something else to be discussed about this perspective.
What is “original” authorship with respect to scripture?

Many of the books were in a fluid oral form before being written down at all, and I have noted that even Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger admits the editorial process involved in the final composistion of a work – and the historical context of some of them. For example the Babylonian captivity and the final form of certain narratives in Genesis.

Rather than saying an “original”, would it not be more correct to say “the scripture as the Holy Spirit intended it.” 🙂
 
MarkA16 said:
2 Samuel 24:1
And the anger of the Lord was again kindled against Israel, and stirred up David among them, saying: Go, number Israel and Juda.

1 Chronicles 21:1
And Satan rose up against Israel: and moved David to number Israel.
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This is a perfect example of doctrinal development within Judaism. At the time of 2 Samuel there was no concept of “Satan” (the advisory), at the time their understanding of monotheism left no room for another entity such as Satan. Thus all events (even the evil ones) must have originated from an all powerful God.

However by the time of Chronicles the Jews had come to a greater understanding of the nature of God. They had then accepted that God was “good” and that he did not tempt his people. The author of chronicles had to edit the original text in a way that did not contradict the theology of his time.
 
levi86 said:
This is a perfect example of doctrinal development within Judaism. At the time of 2 Samuel there was no concept of “Satan” (the advisory), at the time their understanding of monotheism left no room for another entity such as Satan. Thus all events (even the evil ones) must have originated from an all powerful God.

However by the time of Chronicles the Jews had come to a greater understanding of the nature of God. They had then accepted that God was “good” and that he did not tempt his people. The author of chronicles had to edit the original text in a way that did not contradict the theology of his time.
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For the Judaism, Satan is only one of God so many massagers that he send to accomplish his will on earth. Like the angel of death that slew the first-born of Egypt

See: aish.com/rabbi/ATR_browse.asp?s=satan&f=tqak&offset=1
 
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