Controversial Notre Dame priest accused of plagiarism…again

[buffalo]

**Controversial Notre Dame priest accused of plagiarism…again

** South Bend, Mar. 14, 2006 (CNA) - Just weeks after Father Richard McBrien, a controversial professor at the University of Notre Dame was essentially cleared by the University on charges of plagiarism, Virginia’s Cardinal Newman Society (CNS) has announced evidence of a separate–and far more sweeping case–this time involving the priest’s 1997 book; Lives of the Popes.

Yesterday, CNS said they faxed Notre Dame president, Rev. John Jenkins, C.S.C an 11-page comparison of McBrien’s 1997 book, Lives of the Popes, and strikingly similar–sometimes exact–pages from Rev. J.N.D. Kelly’s 1986 Oxford Dictionary of Popes.

They pointed out that this situation was first reported in 1998 by University professor emeritus Rev. Marvin O’Connell, in the magazine, Books and Culture.

Patrick Reilly, CNS’s president said today that “Notre Dame’s response to our first complaint was a whitewash, but this they cannot ignore”

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[frommi]

This is just starting to look like a witch hunt. This group is working backwards from “we don’t like Richard McBrien”.

It’s sad that a great man like Cardinal Newman has this group using him as a namesake.

 

[setter]

frommi:

This is just starting to look like a witch hunt. This group is working backwards from “we don’t like Richard McBrien”.

It’s sad that a great man like Cardinal Newman has this group using him as a namesake.

Sort of like blame the whistleblower?

“There is no valid excuse for a university professor to copy or closely paraphrase the wording of another’s scholarly work without clear attribution,” he said. “If that is what has happened here-and the evidence is extensive-then Notre Dame’s integrity is on the line.”

 

[pfoos]

He is such a fraud trying to pass himself off as Catholic. Wouldn’t surprise me if his “works” were less than pure as well

 

[fix]

Cavadini has charged the Cardinal Newman Society as being a “militant right-wing Catholic interest group lobbying for the most stringent standards of orthodoxy to be used in courses and curricula at Catholic colleges and universities." Likewise, Fr. McBrien maintains that the group has a“thorough bias” against him.
What should be the standard? Perhaps a militant left wing heterodox professor? Perhaps the group has a “bias” against error?

 

[WanderAimlessly]

I remember reading about this a few months ago. In fact, here is a link to a thread here:
Fr. Richard McBrien named in ‘apparent plagiarism’

PF

 

[Zahmir]

As an orthodox ND student, I, nor any of my friends, am not very fond of McBrien. It should be interesting to see how he weasels his way out of this one.

 

[Desert_82]

pfoos:

He is such a fraud trying to pass himself off as Catholic. Wouldn’t surprise me if his “works” were less than pure as well

Not to mention his unbridled, enthusiastic support for abortion. He even appeared on a round table televised discussion of abortion(hosted by Peter Jennings), and he was agreeing with Kate Michelman! A Baptist preacher on the program told McBrien off in no uncertain terms. What a sad time we’re living in, when the “minister” of a heretical sect has to defend the truth against a “Catholic” priest.

 

[Fitz]

frommi:

This is just starting to look like a witch hunt. This group is working backwards from “we don’t like Richard McBrien”.

It’s sad that a great man like Cardinal Newman has this group using him as a namesake.

I don’t really know if this is the case. Did you ever hear him speak on TV? He is not very faithful to the Catholic Church. Many times he sounds like a heretic. I am surprised that he has not been silenced by Rome already.

 

[proud2bcatholic]

splendoroftruth.com/curtjester/


The top ten things Fr. McBrien will not Plagiarize.

1. Actual documents from Vatican II
2. Academic Mandatum
3. The Catechism of the Catholic Church
4. Catholic Answers: Voter’s Guide for Serious Catholics
5. General Instruction of the Roman Missal
6. Ex Corde Ecclesiae
7. Considerations Regarding Proposals to Give Legal Recognition to Unions Between Homosexual Persons
8. Redemptionis Sacramentum
9. Humanae Vitae

And the top document that Fr. McBrien will not Plagiarize is:

1. Ordinatio Sacerdotalis

 

[DreadVandal]

Fitz:

I don’t really know if this is the case. Did you ever hear him speak on TV? He is not very faithful to the Catholic Church. Many times he sounds like a heretic. I am surprised that he has not been silenced by Rome already.

McBrien is too much of a has-been to be worth Rome’s attention. Only the most loopy lesbian feminist nuns have any interest in any of his writings. McBrien is not taken seriously as a scholar or theologian by anyone (well, except new agers and loopy lesbian nuns).

 

[frommi]

Fitz:

I don’t really know if this is the case. Did you ever hear him speak on TV? He is not very faithful to the Catholic Church. Many times he sounds like a heretic. I am surprised that he has not been silenced by Rome already.

He may dissent…but his stuff isn’t heresy…at least not in the correct sense of that word.

I find that his understanding of church history is pretty good.

 

[EtienneGilson]

I don’t agree with all the Fr. McBrien bashing that goes on here. He is after all an intelligent priest in good standing and a theologian at a Catholic University, credentials I am not sure anyone at CA brings to the table. Often many of his statements are simply dismissed because of who he is, a classic ad hominem attack.

That said, when reading some of Fr. McBrien’s histories I am reminded of Hilaire Belloc’s comment about GG. Coulton: throwing stones at a building makes one no more of an architect than throwing historical facts together makes one an historian. That said, many of the historical facts the good priest brings up in his writings are interesting and should be taken into consideration.

 

[bones_IV]

Father McBrien is heretic and acts like Satan more than he does like Christ. He got what he deserved. God is punishing McBrien for his disobedience like Sodom and Gommorah.

 

[setter]

EtienneGilson:

I don’t agree with all the Fr. McBrien bashing that goes on here. He is after all an intelligent priest in good standing and a theologian at a Catholic University, credentials I am not sure anyone at CA brings to the table. Often many of his statements are simply dismissed because of who he is, a classic ad hominem attack.

That said, when reading some of Fr. McBrien’s histories I am reminded of Hilaire Belloc’s comment about GG. Coulton: throwing stones at a building makes one no more of an architect than throwing historical facts together makes one an historian. That said, many of the historical facts the good priest brings up in his writings are interesting and should be taken into consideration.

This is a simply fuzzy around the edges defense of a thoroughly documented heterodox theologian and dissenting priest.

Somehow academia tenure and credentials makes him an okay guy and reason enough to overlook his parasitic use of his professor theologian status at a notable Catholic university?

 

[fix]

EtienneGilson:

I don’t agree with all the Fr. McBrien bashing that goes on here. He is after all an intelligent priest in good standing and a theologian at a Catholic University, credentials I am not sure anyone at CA brings to the table. Often many of his statements are simply dismissed because of who he is, a classic ad hominem attack.

That said, when reading some of Fr. McBrien’s histories I am reminded of Hilaire Belloc’s comment about GG. Coulton: throwing stones at a building makes one no more of an architect than throwing historical facts together makes one an historian. That said, many of the historical facts the good priest brings up in his writings are interesting and should be taken into consideration.

It would seem he has built his career on dissent. So-called credentials in no way ensure orthodoxy or a firm committment to the truth.

 

[DreadVandal]

EtienneGilson:

I don’t agree with all the Fr. McBrien bashing that goes on here. He is after all an intelligent priest in good standing and a theologian at a Catholic University, credentials I am not sure anyone at CA brings to the table. Often many of his statements are simply dismissed because of who he is, a classic ad hominem attack.

That said, when reading some of Fr. McBrien’s histories I am reminded of Hilaire Belloc’s comment about GG. Coulton: throwing stones at a building makes one no more of an architect than throwing historical facts together makes one an historian. That said, many of the historical facts the good priest brings up in his writings are interesting and should be taken into consideration.

I’ve looked at McBrien’s work and its garbage. I have read where he states that Vatican II teaches Sola Scriptura. I am in academia myself and I am a scholar. McBrien has not turned out one significant piece of theological work or scholarship. This is simply a fact. It doesn’t matter what his views are. Hans Kueng has views just as liberal and heretical. But Kueng is a scholar and I can respect that. When I read Kueng, I learn something. I realize that a contribution is being made even if I don’t agree with him. When I read McBrien, I simply scoff or laugh; and not willfully. It is an unconscious reflex that occurs. I consider it to be my bs gauge.

 

[MrS]

DreadVandal:

McBrien is too much of a has-been to be worth Rome’s attention. Only the most loopy lesbian feminist nuns have any interest in any of his writings. McBrien is not taken seriously as a scholar or theologian by anyone (well, except new agers and loopy lesbian nuns).

and he was welcomed on the set of the DaVinci ****, I mean Code

 

[MrS]

EtienneGilson:

I don’t agree with all the Fr. McBrien bashing that goes on here. He is after all an intelligent priest in good standing and a theologian at a Catholic University, credentials I am not sure anyone at CA brings to the table. Often many of his statements are simply dismissed because of who he is, a classic ad hominem attack.

That said, when reading some of Fr. McBrien’s histories I am reminded of Hilaire Belloc’s comment about GG. Coulton: throwing stones at a building makes one no more of an architect than throwing historical facts together makes one an historian. That said, many of the historical facts the good priest brings up in his writings are interesting and should be taken into consideration.

yeh, Luther used to be in good standing too…

as for ND being a Catholic University… it is one that still refuses to take the annual pledge of submission to the Magisterium… but then, there are only about 5 or 6 universities that do,

 

[msproule]

I think we should pray for the people who want to claim Father McBrien’s writings as their own!

Although, I suppose it is moreso like those accusing Dan Brown of plagiarism…they see somebody cashing in on stolen ideas and words and either want a piece of the pie or the record set straight.