Controversial Notre Dame priest accused of plagiarism…again

[EtienneGilson]

I expect this, unfortunately…simple more ad hominem attacks.

Here is his biography, clearly displaying a rather successful career as a Catholic Theologian:

Richard P. McBrien
(A.A., St. Thomas Seminary, Bloomfield, CT, 1956; M.A., St. John Seminary, Brighton, MA, 1962; S.T.D., Pontifical Gregorian University, Rome, 1967)
Crowley-O’Brien Professor of Theology

McBrien’s scholarly interests are in the areas of ecclesiology, the relationship between religion and politics, and the theological, doctrinal, and spiritual dimensions of the Catholic tradition. The first is reflected in almost all of his writings, including some of his earliest books, such as Do We Need the Church? (1969), Church: the Continuing Quest (1970), and The Remaking of the Church (1973); the second area is reflected in his Caesar’s Coin: Religion and Politics in America (1987); and the third in his Catholicism (1980; rev. ed., 1994), Lives of the Popes (1997), and Lives of the Saints (2001), as well as The HarperCollins Encyclopedia of Catholicism (1995), of which he was general editor. He has been president of the Catholic Theological Society of America (1973-74) and winner of its John Courtney Murray Award “for outstanding and distinguished achievement in Theology” (1976). He has written a syndicated weekly theology column for the Catholic press since 1966, and is a frequent on-air network commentator for Church-related events. He is a priest of the Archdiocese of Hartford, Connecticut.
nd.edu/~theo/faculty/mcbrien.html

Notice the honour of heading the CTSA? an honour shared with Kenan Osborne, Avery Dulles and Richard McCormick; jcu.edu/ctsa/OFFICERS%20OF%20THE%20CTSA.doc
Or how about the JCM award? jcu.edu/ctsa/RECIPIENTS_OF_JCM_AWARD.pdf

DreadVandal’s reply was the most unChristian of them all though, fully of pride, gloating and superiority. I’m glad to know that a real scholar like yourself finds time to post 500 and some posts in a little under half a year. Perhaps you would like to share your CV with us?

But to get back on topic, perhaps he is getting sloppy in his old age, or worse, perhaps it was intentional plagarism.

 

[bones_IV]

EtienneGilson:

I expect this, unfortunately…simple more ad hominem attacks.

Here is his biography, clearly displaying a rather successful career as a Catholic Theologian:

Richard P. McBrien
(A.A., St. Thomas Seminary, Bloomfield, CT, 1956; M.A., St. John Seminary, Brighton, MA, 1962; S.T.D., Pontifical Gregorian University, Rome, 1967)
Crowley-O’Brien Professor of Theology

McBrien’s scholarly interests are in the areas of ecclesiology, the relationship between religion and politics, and the theological, doctrinal, and spiritual dimensions of the Catholic tradition. The first is reflected in almost all of his writings, including some of his earliest books, such as Do We Need the Church? (1969), Church: the Continuing Quest (1970), and The Remaking of the Church (1973); the second area is reflected in his Caesar’s Coin: Religion and Politics in America (1987); and the third in his Catholicism (1980; rev. ed., 1994), Lives of the Popes (1997), and Lives of the Saints (2001), as well as The HarperCollins Encyclopedia of Catholicism (1995), of which he was general editor. He has been president of the Catholic Theological Society of America (1973-74) and winner of its John Courtney Murray Award “for outstanding and distinguished achievement in Theology” (1976). He has written a syndicated weekly theology column for the Catholic press since 1966, and is a frequent on-air network commentator for Church-related events. He is a priest of the Archdiocese of Hartford, Connecticut.
nd.edu/~theo/faculty/mcbrien.html

Notice the honour of heading the CTSA? an honour shared with Kenan Osborne, Avery Dulles and Richard McCormick; jcu.edu/ctsa/OFFICERS%20OF%20THE%20CTSA.doc
Or how about the JCM award? jcu.edu/ctsa/RECIPIENTS_OF_JCM_AWARD.pdf

DreadVandal’s reply was the most unChristian of them all though, fully of pride, gloating and superiority. I’m glad to know that a real scholar like yourself finds time to post 500 and some posts in a little under half a year. Perhaps you would like to share your CV with us?

But to get back on topic, perhaps he is getting sloppy in his old age, or worse, perhaps it was intentional plagarism.

You overlook the fact of Father McBrien’s pro-abortion stance and that he manifests heresy. Paul says in his letter to Titus that if a man remains a heretic after the first and second admonishment to AVOID THEM! Have nothing to do with them. To say that he is a scholarly man is an oversimplification. He especially denounced the document released by the Vatican on “A Reflection of the Shoah”. His liberal colors showed and revealed how wicked of a man he really was. I’m sorry you fail to recognize that. You will go the hell for endorsing this man who manifests in heresy! It’s not judgmental, it’s infallible dogma. It doesn’t matter what you think. Dread Vandal said nothing wrong and I don’t think you got his point.

 

[buffalo]

Review of Fr. McBrien’s “Catholicism” by the NCCB’s Committee on Doctrine

 

[buffalo]

Blasphemy, Too, Has Its Theologians

 

[bones_IV]

Review of Fr. McBrien’s “Catholicism” by the NCCB’s Committee on Doctrine

Thanks for the documentation. Sounds like Father McBrien has made his pledge of allegiance to moral relativism. It’s not my fault if he ends up in hell.

 

[buffalo]

Dissenting Authors and Speakers

 

[bones_IV]

Seems like the dissenters and heretics mentioned have the devil as their father.

 

[DreadVandal]

EtienneGilson:

I expect this, unfortunately…simple more ad hominem attacks.

Here is his biography, clearly displaying a rather successful career as a Catholic Theologian:

Richard P. McBrien
(A.A., St. Thomas Seminary, Bloomfield, CT, 1956; M.A., St. John Seminary, Brighton, MA, 1962; S.T.D., Pontifical Gregorian University, Rome, 1967)
Crowley-O’Brien Professor of Theology

McBrien’s scholarly interests are in the areas of ecclesiology, the relationship between religion and politics, and the theological, doctrinal, and spiritual dimensions of the Catholic tradition. The first is reflected in almost all of his writings, including some of his earliest books, such as Do We Need the Church? (1969), Church: the Continuing Quest (1970), and The Remaking of the Church (1973); the second area is reflected in his Caesar’s Coin: Religion and Politics in America (1987); and the third in his Catholicism (1980; rev. ed., 1994), Lives of the Popes (1997), and Lives of the Saints (2001), as well as The HarperCollins Encyclopedia of Catholicism (1995), of which he was general editor. He has been president of the Catholic Theological Society of America (1973-74) and winner of its John Courtney Murray Award “for outstanding and distinguished achievement in Theology” (1976). He has written a syndicated weekly theology column for the Catholic press since 1966, and is a frequent on-air network commentator for Church-related events. He is a priest of the Archdiocese of Hartford, Connecticut.
nd.edu/~theo/faculty/mcbrien.html

Notice the honour of heading the CTSA? an honour shared with Kenan Osborne, Avery Dulles and Richard McCormick; jcu.edu/ctsa/OFFICERS%20OF%20THE%20CTSA.doc
Or how about the JCM award? jcu.edu/ctsa/RECIPIENTS_OF_JCM_AWARD.pdf

DreadVandal’s reply was the most unChristian of them all though, fully of pride, gloating and superiority. I’m glad to know that a real scholar like yourself finds time to post 500 and some posts in a little under half a year. Perhaps you would like to share your CV with us?

But to get back on topic, perhaps he is getting sloppy in his old age, or worse, perhaps it was intentional plagarism.

Taking things a bit personally eh? And no, I won’t post my CV here for a number of reasons. That McBrien has received a such an honor from the CTSA reflects poorly on the CTSA. But, like many societies, the CTSA is a mixed bag. Academia is a mixed bag for that matter. And just because someone has a Ph.D. and is published does not mean that they have a clue as to what they are talking about. I used to read McBrien’s columns and they were usually riddled with inexcusable errors. I’ve looked at his big book, Catholicism, and found it to be sloppy and superficial in its presentation. And I am not the only one who has thought this. Others have posted links to the Bishops’ views on it.

 

[buffalo]

Getting Placed on the Dissenter List

How does an organization or person get placed on our lists of Dissenting Organizations and Dissenting Authors and Speakers?

In summary, very carefully. Certain qualifications must be met and verified before anyone or any organization is placed on these lists. In the words of St. Francis de Sales in his book “Introduction to a Devout Life,” “it is an act of charity to cry out against the wolf when he is among the sheep, wherever he is.” Similarly, Pope St. Felix III said “Not to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend truth is to suppress it.”

more…

 

[fix]

DreadVandal:

But, like many societies, the CTSA is a mixed bag. Academia is a mixed bag for that matter. And just because someone has a Ph.D. and is published does not mean that they have a clue as to what they are talking about.

Along these lines it seems that folks who criticize Fr. McBrien are often accused of being right-wingers and anti intellectual because they seemingly fail to grasp the nuance of his arguments. However, we are told to accept the credentials of folks like him as some type of infallible guide that we must bow to out of deference.

So, accepting the authority of the magisterium is seen as narrow minded and not thinking critically, but we are to see his credentials as proof he has authority to reject Church teaching.

Basically, we are not smart enough to see why the Church is wrong and he is correct.

 

[frommi]

Getting Placed on the Dissenter List

How does an organization or person get placed on our lists of Dissenting Organizations and Dissenting Authors and Speakers?

In summary, very carefully. Certain qualifications must be met and verified before anyone or any organization is placed on these lists. In the words of St. Francis de Sales in his book “Introduction to a Devout Life,” “it is an act of charity to cry out against the wolf when he is among the sheep, wherever he is.” Similarly, Pope St. Felix III said “Not to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend truth is to suppress it.”

more…

Thank goodness we have organizations like yours to make sure we stay divided in the faith…

 

[setter]

frommi:

Thank goodness we have organizations like yours to make sure we stay divided in the faith…

No, rather united in truth in the faith.

“Who is going to save our Church? Not our bishops, not our priests and religious. It is up to you, the people. You have the minds, the eyes, the ears to save the Church. Your mission is to see that your priests act like priests, your bishops like bishops and your religious act like religious.” ~ Archbishop Fulton Sheen

 

[setter]

EtienneGilson:

Here is his biography, clearly displaying a rather successful career as a Catholic Theologian:

It all comes down to how one defines “successful career as a Catholic Theologian”. I hardly think that a theologian can be described as “successful” if he has contributed to the confusion and ruination of souls through his disobedience and spreading of error in matters of faith and morals.

 

[msproule]

frommi:

Thank goodness we have organizations like yours to make sure we stay divided in the faith…

Which is better:

To recognize and discriminate those divisions?

…or…

To ignore them and pretend “I’m OK, you’re OK”, thus allowing people to be led astray en masse?

 

[Desert_82]

setter:

It all comes down to how one defines “successful career as a Catholic Theologian”. I hardly think that a theologian can be described as “successful” if he has contributed to the confusion and ruination of souls through his disobedience and spreading of error in matters of faith and morals.

A few years back he appeared on an episode of ABC’s Nightline (focused on exorcism and diabolical possession) and DENIED the Catholic teaching on the supernatural “mysterium iniquitatis” by belittling the idea of Satan and demons as some sort of outdated old wives’ tale which had been superceded by progressive humanist social science and psychology. He went on to ridicule the practice of exorcism.

I’d say that’s a pretty on-target hit for goofy kooky psychobabble as far as modernist Americanist Catholic priest antics go. And for fake Catholic Notre Dame professors.

 

[MJE]

If he were faithful to the teachings of the church we would all be asking, “Father who?”.

 

[frommi]

msproule:

Which is better:

To recognize and discriminate those divisions?

…or…

To ignore them and pretend “I’m OK, you’re OK”, thus allowing people to be led astray en masse?

Seeing as how anyone with a website and a computer can put out there own opinions about who is a dissenter and a heretic…I think this sort of thing does great damage.

It’s interesting…people say “follow the magisterium”…well…last I checked, the magisterium hasn’t acted out against a lot of the people listed on this kooky website.

 

[fix]

frommi:

Seeing as how anyone with a website and a computer can put out there own opinions about who is a dissenter and a heretic…I think this sort of thing does great damage.

It’s interesting…people say “follow the magisterium”…well…last I checked, the magisterium hasn’t acted out against a lot of the people listed on this kooky website.

So, if the Church has not formally disciplined someone I am to understand that if their words are in error that error is consistent with the truth?

Is that the logic?

 

[frommi]

fix:

So, if the Church has not formally disciplined someone I am to understand that if their words are in error that error is consistent with the truth?

Is that the logic?

I’m saying its the church’s responsibility to deal with heretics and dissent however she wants to.

Sister Grammick and Father Nugent were silenced…Fr. McBrien has not been silenced.

But its not the place of someone with a modem and some 1950’s era Christian clip art to create a website and call for the heads of heretics.

 

[fix]

frommi:

I’m saying its the church’s responsibility to deal with heretics and dissent however she wants to.

Sister Grammick and Father Nugent were silenced…Fr. McBrien has not been silenced.

But its not the place of someone with a modem and some 1950’s era Christian clip art to create a website and call for the heads of heretics.

Why is it not their place?