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OK, I did only the most cursory look regarding possible cultural bias in the SAT and it appears that this was more prevalent before recent improvements in the exam have been made. This does not seem to be as much of an issue at the present.

See, I’ll admit when I’m wrong. 🙂

Now, how well minority students are being prepared to take this test is another matter entirely.

Plus, family income is very highly positively correlated with higher SAT and ACT scores.
 
ringil said:
That’s part of the problem the measures used such as grades and SAT scores aren’t objective at all; they are subjective measurements of scholastic aptitute. The SAT and the MCAT have been shown to be culturally biased against ethnic minorities in the US.
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But is this true?

Why, then, would Asians do so well on them?

Is this a matter of biases of the prevailing culture against minorities or biases of some minorities against the prevailing culture?
 
ringil said:
Do you really feel that this is an appropriate comment?
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98% of the black vote went to Barack Obama. Democrats are the party of entitlements. You tell me. Is promising taxpayer money in the form of entitlement spending for the purpose of luring votes appropriate?
 
bbarrick8383 said:
So when you graduate school and are offered a job you will be sure and ask the person doing the hiring if there are any minorities in line and refuse the job if so?
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Read my post again. I said there was a time when it made more sense, but I didn’t say it applies today
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
98% of the black vote went to Barack Obama. Democrats are the party of entitlements. You tell me. Is promising taxpayer money in the form of entitlement spending for the purpose of luring votes appropriate?
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I assume that African Americans made their decisions in the election just like you and I did, following a consideration of pertinent social/political issues.

I don’t think they just thought “I want they guy who will give me free stuff” 🤷
 
ringil said:
Now, how well minority students are being prepared to take this test is another matter entirely.

Plus, family income is very highly positively correlated with higher SAT and ACT scores.
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You are correct. There is an over representation of racial minorities at or below the poverty level. However, the issue of performance in school is more directly linked to lower incomes than racial standards. Children who are a racial minority but are not in the poverty level do just as well as their white classmates. Children who are white do just as poorly as their minority classmates.

The reason here has many facets:
  • Lower income families may have only one parent who is working full time and therefore cannot help their children with coursework.
  • Students from lower-income households may have to work more outside of school to support their families.
  • Lower income families have a higher rate of drug abuse and alcohol abuse in the family. Students aren’t being given the care they need when mom or dad or both are strung out on drugs.
  • Lower income families have more pressures that demand the child’s time than studies.
This is not a racial issue, it’s the circumstances that surround lower-income homes. Students need help from mentors, teachers, and schools to overcome these hardships. Giving a free ticket to minorities because they are over represented in the poverty class does nothing to solve the issue. What this school is presenting is an attempt to treat the symptoms, rather than cure the disease. And their method of doing this (racial segregation) is highly immoral.

The answer is to get help, people, and better education to the kids in lower income areas. Attempting to treat the symptoms will only allow the disease to go untreated, ignored, and allow it to fester.
 
ringil said:
I assume that African Americans made their decisions in the election just like you and I did, following a consideration of pertinent social/political issues.

I don’t think they just thought “I want they guy who will give me free stuff” 🤷
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I don’t buy that for a second. Not the part that black people thought about it. I think they thought about it just as much as every other race, class, etc out there did. I don’t think a majority of anyone really “thought it through” I think the majority out there said “Oooh! I wanna vote for the black guy so I can be a part of history and show the world that I’m not racist!” :D;)
 
Whitacre_Girl said:
You are correct. There is an over representation of racial minorities at or below the poverty level. However, the issue of performance in school is more directly linked to lower incomes than racial standards. Children who are a racial minority but are not in the poverty level do just as well as their white classmates. Children who are white do just as poorly as their minority classmates. .
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Actually I would ask the question that was asked in “Waiting for Superman”.

Are the schools the product of their failed neighborhoods or are the failed neighborhoods the product of their schools?
 
SamH said:
Actually I would ask the question that was asked in “Waiting for Superman”.

Are the schools the product of their failed neighborhoods or are the failed neighborhoods the product of their schools?
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SamH said:
Actually I would ask the question that was asked in “Waiting for Superman”.

Are the schools the product of their failed neighborhoods or are the failed neighborhoods the product of their schools?
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Of course it’s not either/or it’s “both”. Life is complex, social institutions are complex and interdepedent in the micro, meso, and macro levels of functioning.
 
I guess Rich isn’t going to answer my question…How much and what payment over how long a time is enough for reparations for slavery?

🤷

Of course the answer is, “It will never be enough, as long as we need to convince black Americans that they are victims so we can pretend to help them out of their victimhood, while actually “helping” them into total destitution and depravity.”

Funny how most black Americans can’t see the racism coming from those they think are “helping” them. I know it frustrates my conservative black friends to no end.

And if a President I voted for started the kind of MOCKERY like a minstrel show that Barack Obama uses when he addresses black audiences, I’d be disgusted. “Take off your bedroom slippers…quitch yer’ cryin’, whinin’, complainin’…” :mad:
 
SamH said:
Actually their suggested diagnosis is:

Unions—>lower quality schools---->poverty.
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Well, the unions are certainly an impediment to improving the lower quality schools and a contributing factor of the lower quality schools, but I don’t think they are part of the cycle. The fact that unions exist in the schools of more affluent areas shows that.
 
rlg94086 said:
Well, the unions are certainly an impediment to improving the lower quality schools and a contributing factor of the lower quality schools, but I don’t think they are part of the cycle. The fact that unions exist in the schools of more affluent areas shows that.
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My wife’s school is unionized and is a very “good” school, but the union prevents them from being a great school.

Watch the documentary.
 
ringil said:
So this little production fits right in with how you conceptualize the African American voting block?
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This was a “man on the street” interview with people standing in line on the RUMOR that stimulus checks were being given out. Show me something that controverts this narrative.
 
SamH said:
Actually their suggested diagnosis is:

Unions—>lower quality schools---->poverty.
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Better narrative:

Unions —> Rich Union Bosses and the politicians they support----> Poverty for the rest of everyone.
 
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