Controversy erupts over Campus Republicans bake sale plans

[Contarini]

I commend these young people. It is high time that someone illustrates in a concrete way the absurdity of the Liberal mindset, and if this doesn’t do the trick, nothing will.

It certainly doesn’t do the trick for me. All it shows me is how juvenile and silly these young Republicans are.

Mind you, given the examples their elders set them, it’s hard to blame them

Perhaps someone might try to explain just how this is such a devastating criticism of affirmative action?

The only reason the bake sale is offensive is that it is obviously intended to ridicule affirmative action and thus shows disrespect for the genuine difficulties faced by minorities. Thus, it makes no sense to say that it is a critique of affirmative action.

Edwin

 

[NonServiam]

Sure. Your idea of fairness is racist. …] Separating out one race over another is racist.

You don’t seem to be grasping the fact that the issue we’re talking about is one already divided down racial lines, whose causes stem from a history of racial persecution.

Given these circumstances, of course the solution is going to “separate out one race over another” – that’s the whole point of the problem that we’re trying to address.

I’m getting the sense that you are either unable or unwilling to look at the broader picture here. You insist on looking at the issue on the micro level (“one black kid and one white kid, and liberals wanna only help one, those racist hippies!!!”), but your fundamental approach is flawed because you’re missing the larger picture.

Again, the problem we’re trying to address is not poverty, per se. The problem is the discrepency between races, in general, in terms of opportunity and privilege. Poverty is a part of that problem, certainly. It’s a contributing factor, but it’s far from the only factor.

You’re never going to stand a fighting chance of assembling anything close to a convincing argument if all you do is shriek “racism!!!” whenever anyone suggests that treating everyone equally – when everyone, in the big picture, doesn’t have equal access to the same advantages – is, in practice, the equivalent of treating people unequally.

 

[vz71]

To make up for past injustices to the people of a race denied opportunities because of their color. That’s precisely how I see it. You don’t? Fine.

Right.
So I have to pay for some injustice committed by people I am not related to from a time long since past?

That has got to be the most stupid statement I have ever read on this board.

Stupid and racist.

 

[vz71]

I’m certain that the notion of leveling the playing field was NOT directed at you and your family directly.

It is directed towards me.
A complete innocent of the injustices of the past. One who is not related in any way, has not benefitted from the injustice in any way.

Slanting the field against those that had no part in it is NOT justice.

Your logic makes me sick.

 

[SamH]

Right.
So I have to pay for some injustice committed by people I am not related to from a time long since past?

Don’t forget the second part. You are paying this to people that have not suffered an injustice.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Liberals take two underprivileged kids, one white and one black, and say “we should help the black kid.” That is what they call “fair.”

Just like that, eh?

 

[SamH]

You don’t seem to be grasping the fact that the issue we’re talking about is one already divided down racial lines, whose causes stem from a history of racial persecution.

No, the problem is we do understand the issue.

 

[bbarrick8383]

Liberals take two underprivileged kids, one white and one black, and say “we should help the black kid.” That is what they call “fair.”

There is no white and poor, only white and lazy.

 

[rlg94086]

You don’t seem to be grasping the fact that the issue we’re talking about is one already divided down racial lines, whose causes stem from a history of racial persecution.

Given these circumstances, of course the solution is going to “separate out one race over another” – that’s the whole point of the problem that we’re trying to address.

I’m getting the sense that you are either unable or unwilling to look at the broader picture here. You insist on looking at the issue on the micro level (“one black kid and one white kid, and liberals wanna only help one, those racist hippies!!!”), but your fundamental approach is flawed because you’re missing the larger picture.

Again, the problem we’re trying to address is not poverty, per se. The problem is the discrepency between races, in general, in terms of opportunity and privilege. Poverty is a part of that problem, certainly. It’s a contributing factor, but it’s far from the only factor.

You’re never going to stand a fighting chance of assembling anything close to a convincing argument if all you do is shriek “racism!!!” whenever anyone suggests that treating everyone equally – when everyone, in the big picture, **doesn’t have equal access to the same advantages **-- is, in practice, the equivalent of treating people unequally.

There you go with the “equal access” lie. It is economic, not racial. I asked you before to tell me where the minority-only schools are…are there any? Children in an inner-city, failed school have an equal disadvantage when it comes to access to quality education.

I fully understand the broader picture, and it has very little to do with race. If there is a school who is accepting a white applicant and denying a black applicant due to race, point it out and punish that school. Giving preference to a black applicant due to race doesn’t fix the problem. It exacerbates it.

 

[Whitacre_Girl]

You don’t seem to be grasping the fact that the issue we’re talking about is one already divided down racial lines, whose causes stem from a history of racial persecution.

Given these circumstances, of course the solution is going to “separate out one race over another” – that’s the whole point of the problem that we’re trying to address.

I’m getting the sense that you are either unable or unwilling to look at the broader picture here. You insist on looking at the issue on the micro level (“one black kid and one white kid, and liberals wanna only help one, those racist hippies!!!”), but your fundamental approach is flawed because you’re missing the larger picture.

Again, the problem we’re trying to address is not poverty, per se. The problem is the discrepency between races, in general, in terms of opportunity and privilege. Poverty is a part of that problem, certainly. It’s a contributing factor, but it’s far from the only factor.

You’re never going to stand a fighting chance of assembling anything close to a convincing argument if all you do is shriek “racism!!!” whenever anyone suggests that treating everyone equally – when everyone, in the big picture, doesn’t have equal access to the same advantages – is, in practice, the equivalent of treating people unequally.

THe main flaw here, is that people seem to think that everything SHOULD be fair. I was an underprivileged white kid. The only leg up I had was my gender. No one wanted to help me when they could offer scholarships based of racial lines. Did complaining get me into college? No, hard work did.

It’s the fundamental flaw of the modern mindset that we have to “lower the bar” so it’s more equal. No. Everyone is held to the same standard. If the issue is poverty due to race in inner-city school, then establish programs to help these kids rise up so they can compete with more privileged kids through study and hard work. Don’t give handouts or lower the standard. It’s this “lowering of the standard” that has partially led to the joke that is public education these days.

Want to help inner city kids? Go volunteer. Don’t start racially segregating people and lowering the bar for other groups because they “just can’t compete.”

That’s not only racist to the white kids who worked hard to get where they are, it’s also racist to minorities by suggesting that they are inferior and need lower standards. They are just as capable as anyone else of learning and working hard. What they need is role models. So go volunteer to be that role model. Or give some of your time to tutor. Don’t fall into intrinsically evil racial pattens by deciding that minorities are inferior and need lower standards, or that white kids don’t matter.

 

[rlg94086]

Just like that, eh?

Yep.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

It certainly doesn’t do the trick for me. All it shows me is how juvenile and silly these young Republicans are.

Mind you, given the examples their elders set them, it’s hard to blame them

Perhaps someone might try to explain just how this is such a devastating criticism of affirmative action?

The only reason the bake sale is offensive is that it is obviously intended to ridicule affirmative action and thus shows disrespect for the genuine difficulties faced by minorities. Thus, it makes no sense to say that it is a critique of affirmative action.

Edwin

I think the bake sale is hillarious and completely appropriate. You can’t conquer racism and division with racism and division. Apparently old Democrats can’t figure that one out for themselves.

 

[Whitacre_Girl]

I think the bake sale is hillarious and completely appropriate. You can’t conquer racism and division with racism and division. Apparently old Democrats can’t figure that one out for themselves.

But remember! It’s okay because the white people did it first

 

[ringil]

Can you point out the minority-only schools they are coming from? I know there are some terrible, inner-city public schools that have a larger minority population. What happens to the white kids in these schools? Were they afforded a better educational background, even though they were in the same school? Of course not. How do they get a leg up, or do you believe they automatically have one because of their skin color?

There are income based scholarships.
There are first family member to go to college scholarships.

There are numerous opportunities for these, few, few white students that go to inner city schools you refer to.

I, for instance, went to a middle school with 1200 students and there were about 10 white students there.

Ever heard of “white flight”? The mass exodus of white people from the cities when faced with the possibility that “GASP” their kids might have to attend school with black kids.

 

[rlg94086]

There are income based scholarships.
There are first family member to go to college scholarships.

There are numerous opportunities for these, few, few white students that go to inner city schools you refer to.

So, those are only for white kids?

 

[iamrefreshed]

I’m sure that race and gender preference for college enrollment will end about the same time that race and gender preference is given to college teachers/professors tenure.

Yeah, liberals only like it when the other guy gives.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Right.
So I have to pay for some injustice committed by people I am not related to from a time long since past?

That has got to be the most stupid statement I have ever read on this board.

Stupid and racist.

Do you think that I give a whit for anything you say if you characterize me as such?

 

[JMJSHJ]

Your family may have come over on the Mayflower; mine didn’t.

Mine didn’t but does that mean that Whites who came over on the Mayflower are bad and the whites who didn’t come on the Mayflower aren’t?

My family came over a bit more than 100 years ago. What minority did they steal the NYT from?

Well since you are white they stole from the black man, the native etc

I feel the same about those who believe that conservatism is good.

The problem with people is the absoluteness of a particular ideology. Since some conservatives do bad things, then that makes all conservatives and conservatism bad?

.

 

[JMJSHJ]

Do you think that I give a whit for anything you say if you characterize me as such?

It is racist to say to white people that you must pay the price for what our ancestors did hundreds of years ago.

 

[bbarrick8383]

When your thinking of the few, few white kids who attend inner city schools that have empty swimming pools because they cant afford to fill them up.

Don’t forget about the thousands, if not millions of kids who attend rural schools that end at 8th grade and the ones that do go on to 12th who have to raise the funds to just have a scrubby baseball team…don’t hear much complaining from those kids do you. I guess there are still a few in this world who are just happy to have what they can obtain by the sweat of their own brow.