Controversy erupts over Campus Republicans bake sale plans

[Scott_Lafrance]

Why does this remind me of a scene in a Japanese show I saw, where a NEET (“Not in Education, Employment, or Training”) says, “Only a highly wealthy society can afford to let people like me lounge around! We’re a status symbol!”

I think that there is more truth to this sentiment than you or I realize.

 

[SamH]

Based on Mr. Williams own numbers, 25% of slave women had children from more than one father. How does that compare to the free population at the time? How many free women in 1850 had children from more than one father? He doesn’t say. Hmmm.

Let’s say it was 5% - I think that’s reasonable. So the conclusion is that under slavery, a slave woman was five times more likely than a free woman to have children from more than one father.

As long as we are making up numbers what if the free population with children from more than one father was 50%? So the conclusion is that under slavery, a slave woman was half as likely as free woman to have children from more than one father.

 

[SanAgustin]

Because it is every American’s birthright to own a McMansion and have a career that pays $150,000 a year.

I haven’t seen many people advocating what you just mentioned there, but I have seen quite a few advocating what bellasbane mentions there; almost 3rd world wages (eliminate minimum wage) under 3rd world conditions (get rid of most if not all environmental regulations). We could even site examples, can you provide something saying that anybody is proposing everybody make 150K (which would be great btw!) and own mansions?

 

[JMJSHJ]

This news story points out the absurdity of affirmative action. I find it quite disturbing that people feel that today’s white people have to pay the price for what our ancestors did. Reverse discrimination is still discrimination.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

How does that follow from the fact that you donate your time with others to do charitable work? I don’t see anything particularly Democrat vs Republican in private, charitable work.

Anecdotally, I see such being done primarily by liberals; that’s why I put a political label on it. I do know that some conservatives do charitable work - Qui est ce is a prime example in my book.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Because it is every American’s birthright to own a McMansion and have a career that pays $150,000 a year.

Who has made this proposal? Not the President, I know.

 

[vz71]

First of all, somebody said this is counter to the “Catholic Faith”. I’ll let Cardinal Adam Maida of Detroit shed some light into that;

I am sure if asked, the dear Cardinal will deny advocating a skin color based prejudice.

That is the corner you have painted his words into.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

This news story points out the absurdity of affirmative action. I find it quite disturbing that people feel that today’s white people have to pay the price for what our ancestors did. Reverse discrimination is still discrimination.

Then I trust that the Republicans will abolish or try to abolish, at the least, Affirmative Action as soon as they win the White House. I, however, will continue to vote for whomever continues to support Affirmative Action, even though it seems obvious to me that more of the people on this thread will vote for the opposite. Bon chance! May the better side prevail.

 

[vz71]

We could even site examples, can you provide something saying that anybody is proposing everybody make 150K (which would be great btw!) and own mansions?

No need.
Everyone can see what lies at the bottom of this rather slippery slope.

 

[vz71]

Then I trust that the Republicans will abolish Affirmative Action as soon as they win the White House. I, however, will buck the tide on this thread and vote for whomever continues to support Affirmative Action, even though it seems obvious to me that more of the people on this thread will vote for the opposite. Bon chance!

Why do you advocate such racism?

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Why do you advocate such racism?

You see it as racism. I don’t. Yours is a common opinion among conservatives, mine among liberals. As simple as that.

 

[vz71]

You see it as racism. I don’t. Yours is a common opinion among conservatives, mine among liberals. As simple as that.

You are dodging the question.

Simple facts here, we are talking about race based distinctions.
That is Racism.

Why do you advocate such?

 

[Darryl1958]

"Controversy erupts over Campus Republicans bake sale plans

(CNN) – Campus Republicans at the University of California Berkeley have cooked up a storm of controversy with their plans for a bake sale.

But it’s not your everyday collegiate fundraiser they’ve got in mind. They’ve developed a sliding scale where the price of the cookie or brownie depends on your gender and the color of your skin.

During the sale, scheduled for Tuesday, baked goods will be sold to white men for $2.00, Asian men for $1.50, Latino men for $1.00, black men for $0.75 and Native American men for $0.25. All women will get $0.25 off those prices."…

Source link: cnn.com/2011/09/25/us/california-racial-bake-sale/index.html

Find yourself a Native gal in Berkely and she can give you some of her cookies for free. It will cost her nothing.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Anecdotally, I see such being done primarily by liberals; that’s why I put a political label on it. I do know that some conservatives do charitable work - Qui est ce is a prime example in my book.

Nearly every conservative in my circle does charitable work and most liberals I know are always advocating for someone else to do the dirty work. I guess it must be geography.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Nearly every conservative in my circle does charitable work and most liberals I know are always advocating for someone else to do the dirty work. I guess it must be geography.

Could be. I find the exact opposite hereabouts.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

You are dodging the question.

Simple facts here, we are talking about race based distinctions.
That is Racism.

Why do you advocate such?

That’s your definition. It’s not mine, nor the definition of those others who back Affirmative Action. A simple fact.

 

[rlg94086]

Anecdotally, I see such being done primarily by liberals; that’s why I put a political label on it. I do know that some conservatives do charitable work - Qui est ce is a prime example in my book.

Got it. So, your voting is based on feelings.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Affirmative Action is nothing more than giving people an unfair advantage based on nothing more than their skin color or sexual anatomy. How that corrects past injustice based on the same reasons is beyond me.

 

[rlg94086]

Based on Mr. Williams own numbers, 25% of slave women had children from more than one father. How does that compare to the free population at the time? How many free women in 1850 had children from more than one father? He doesn’t say. Hmmm.

Let’s say it was 5% - I think that’s reasonable. So the conclusion is that under slavery, a slave woman was five times more likely than a free woman to have children from more than one father.

Now lets bring that comparison into the 21st century. What is the gap between the number African American single parents and white single parents? According to the 2010 Census, 66% of African American children live in single parent homes compared to 35% of white children. So today, an African American child is about twice as likely to grow up in a single parent family.

You could say that Slavery didn’t destroy the Black family if you interpret that to mean that they were able to RECOVER from slavery - once African Americans were free, their family patterns became more normative. Nevertheless, while in force, slavery itself was 2.5 times worse for African American families than welfare.

Okay…and what about the data between slavery and President Johnson? That’s a pretty large chunk of time you chose to skip over.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Got it. So, your voting is based on feelings.

Partially. Which is to say that my voting is based on the same things that almost all people base their votes on. I have yet to see anyone who votes on purely rational grounds.