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Partially. Which is to say that my voting is based on the same things that almost all people base their votes on. I have yet to see anyone who votes on purely rational grounds.
Actually, I have found the majority of people I work with spend a great deal of time and effort into thinking about their vote, weighing the pros and cons and then deciding upon a candidate that best represents what they want to be in the office.

Side note: claiming that you do the same as the majortiy is never a very good rationale.
 
This thread is starting to depress me, how is this even considered a funny joke the fact that there are so many of our brothers and sisters in jail? Specially from a particular race? What does that say about our society?
You want to be really depressed - have all those people out of prison doing what they do - committing crime.
 
Err … that link is not saying it varies greatly at all.
It does say that individual organizations use their own metrics. Indeed, NYC changed the definition and the poverty rate shotup from 18% to 23% (source). Does a 5 point jump no qualify as varying “greatly”?
OK, let’s see …

census.gov/hhes/povmeas/methodology/ombdir14.html

1969 … ok, that was quite a while ago.

The it was revised in the 80s;
Note also that the poverty level does not include income and assistance for in-kind benefits. That is SNAP, Medicaid, housing assistance, etc are not included. All of these were created or expanded significantly since the introduction and revision of the poverty level. This level, supposedly meant to measure the minimum standard of living, becomes more and more inaccurate as programs are created and expanded.
Key phrase is “only slightly”. I’m actually surprised it hasn’t been changed more.
What does “only slightly” mean? 1%? 5%? 15? They don’t define it. Also, like I mentioned above, the metric has in no way accounted for the creation of many programs meant to alleviate poverty. So what is it measuring then?
Can you show some proof that this person changes it to make the administration look good? The metrics are very public, and haven’t really changed much. I think it’d be your responsibility to show some proof in order to make your claim be believable.
I chose my words poorly. What I meant was that individual departments can change their measurements for political purposes. The link I gave earlier indicates only what the Census uses to measure poverty. It is not necessarily the same as HHS, HUD, FHA, or any other group. Indeed, as we saw above, NYC uses its own, and can claim that things are worse in NYC than ever before.

Case in point. In 2010, the Census bureau announced it will add a “Supplemental Poverty Measure” (source). Note that this measure still does not account for in-kind benefits. And we see in September 2011 and huge rise in poverty to 15.8% (from 13.2% the month before) (source). And why would the Obama administration want to tweak this measure? I think for political gain.

The ultimate point here is: What is the poverty level supposed to measure? Actual poverty? Or relative poverty? In our government, I think it is the latter. And that is a class warfare tool used primarily for political gain.
 
So when faced with the truth, you wish to hide behind a dictionary of your own creation.
As long as you realize you are hiding the truth from yourself.
And, you know the Truth? Think what you want, but don’t be surprised if not all accept your version of Truth. I don’t, for one. 🤷
 
You want to be really depressed - have all those people out of prison doing what they do - committing crime.
This post is an example of two things; it sadly reaffirms my post, and it’s also an example of people missing the point in the rush to be quick with replies.
 
Actually, I have found the majority of people I work with spend a great deal of time and effort into thinking about their vote, weighing the pros and cons and then deciding upon a candidate that best represents what they want to be in the office.
If “the majority” of those you work with are so careful, that means that there is also a number that is not so methodical. So your statement proves nothing unless you have statistics as to the percentage that constitutes your majority.
 
This thread is starting to depress me, how is this even considered a funny joke the fact that there are so many of our brothers and sisters in jail? Specially from a particular race? What does that say about our society?

I don’t want to pick on you, but I just don’t see the humor in these type of situations.

I look at some of the minority neighborhoods in the US, and they remind me of the 3rd world. I’m from central america, and I’ve been all the way to the slums of Mumbai and seen the most extreme poverty … seeing some parts of the US remind me of these places is not a cause for joy. If it happens that a community is affected by this disproportionately, we should look at all the causes, pray and do everything that is possible to fix this.
It is a serious problem - bought and paid for by the Democrats’ “Great Society.”

In regards to “everything that is possible,” I prefer to avoid fixes that are based on the color of one’s skin.
 
This post is an example of two things; it sadly reaffirms my post, and it’s also an example of people missing the point in the rush to be quick with replies.
Exactly. But you error in the assumption that you made a point.
 
If “the majority” of those you work with are so careful, that means that there is also a number that is not so methodical. So your statement proves nothing unless you have statistics as to the percentage that constitutes your majority.
My statement means that most of the people around me take the obligation to vote very seriously.
I need not run a statistical analysis to know this.

Undoubtedly there are some that believe that I cannot say things without some statistical analysis behind it and know it to be true, but these are normally those that do not wish to believe the evidence in front of them.

A wise man once told me that there is a real truth, that we all know what is right and wrong. What makes something seem complicated is when we do not want to do what is right.
And experience has taught me that this is true.

Affirmative action is wrong.
People do not want to say that, so it becomes complicated.
 
I note you are perfectly willing to claim fact as opinion, but appear unwilling to embrace the actual opposing view.
It is your opinion, NOT fact even if you think it is, just as it is also the opinion of other conservative posters, and just as the opposite is my opinion and that of other liberals. I have no problem accepting your opinion as part of the dialogue on this thread.
 
It is your opinion, NOT fact even if you think it is, just as it is also the opinion of other conservative posters, and just as the opposite is my opinion and that of other liberals. I have no problem accepting your opinion as part of the dialogue on this thread.
No matter how much you claim otherwise, it is wrong.
Again I ask, are you willing to claim skin based prejudice to be right?
 
No matter how much you claim otherwise, it is wrong.
“It’s my story, and I’m sticking’ to it,” eh? We are getting nowhere with “you’re wrong,” “no, you’re wrong,” “No, I’m right,” etc. etc. Believe what you will and go in peace. 🙂
 
You are dodging the question.

Simple facts here, we are talking about race based distinctions.
That is Racism.

Why do you advocate such?
You have totally distorted the meaning of racism.

rac·ism   [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
 
“It’s my story, and I’m sticking’ to it,” eh? We are getting nowhere with “you’re wrong,” “no, you’re wrong,” “No, I’m right,” etc. etc. Believe what you will and go in peace. 🙂
Not at all.
Just waiting for some on this board to actually back what they wish to imply so boldly.

Again I ask, are you willing to claim skin based prejudice to be right?
 
Affirmative Action is nothing more than giving people an unfair advantage based on nothing more than their skin color or sexual anatomy. How that corrects past injustice based on the same reasons is beyond me.
It’s completely fair and it is based on past injustices and equally on present institutionalised oppression.
 
You have totally distorted the meaning of racism.

rac·ism   [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
And now we are making it complicated.
Seems the wise man was right. We know right from wrong.
We complicate the issue when we do not want to do it.
 
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