Controversy erupts over Campus Republicans bake sale plans

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In other news, campus Democrats are demanding the right to be given free cupcakes and the right to stomp the cupcakes into an unrecognizable mush and force the university to pay for cleaning it up.
 
An interesting factor to consider. . . . Doesn’t precisely speak to the debate here but seems interesting to me nevertheless.

So some minorities may admitted universities under “quotas” but once there, they need to complete the same work as everyone else. A professor doesn’t grade a minority student easier than a “white” student. The only student to fail in my graduate class was an African American.

My wife is a scientist and she supervised a black student admitted under one minority scholarship fund or another. Anyway this guy was pretty incompetant. He was lazy, would lie about where he was and how much time he was spending on his research. My wife spent so much time trying to convince this student that he needed to clean up his act but to no avail. He just thought he could float by. Well, he couldn’t, was ejected from the program and certainly wasn’t taken into a Ph.D. program. If by some miracle he had been he would have failed miserably.

These students have to do the work just like everyone else.
 
ringil said:
My wife is a scientist and she supervised a black student admitted under one minority scholarship fund or another. Anyway this guy was pretty incompetant. He was lazy, would lie about where he was and how much time he was spending on his research. My wife spent so much time trying to convince this student that he needed to clean up his act but to no avail. He just thought he could float by. Well, he couldn’t, was ejected from the program and certainly wasn’t taken into a Ph.D. program. If by some miracle he had been he would have failed miserably.
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So, in this case, we not only practiced discrimination based on skin color, but wasted resources as well. If we practiced nondiscriminatory admissions policies we may well have had someone on his or her way to a Ph.D.
 
All the anti-affirmative action high-fiving and preaching to the choir. Oh, my! 😃
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
All the anti-affirmative action high-fiving and preaching to the choir. Oh, my! 😃
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I am not “anti-affirmative action”. I am “may the best, most qualified person regardless of sex, race, age, religion, sexual orientation, handicap get the position”.
 
ringil said:
These students have to do the work just like everyone else.
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I agree. But in the end I fear that the same equal outcome proponents that are pushing for equal outcomes in terms of admission, will then demand equal outcome in terms of graduation. Prior to these affirmative action policies it was argued that the admission system was inherently racist since the number of minority admissions didn’t match some predetermined number. I fear they will use the exact same argument when it comes to graduation. The system (professors, administration, campus atmosphere, etc) is inherently racist if some predetermined number of minorities don’t graduate.

So, if they can tweak the admission system to ensure a “fair” number of minorities are admitted, what is to stop them from tweaking the educational system to ensure a “fair” number of minorities graduate? And I don’t think this it is crazy to think this will happen. NCLB purports to make the education system more “fair” for minorities. Why not for colleges as well?
 
ringil said:
Afirmative Action addresses manifestation of PRESENT inequalities in opportunity and institutionalized discrimination and oppresion. While some of these factors certainly have historic dynamics at play Afirmative Action is not a form of Reparation for sins of the PAST.

It’s not there “to make up for slavery.”
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Tell me what University or public jobs that discriminate against minorities?

Regarding Universities, isn’t the demand (number of people applying who meet the minimum standards) exceed the maximum supply that Universities can provide?
 
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So, in this case, we not only practiced discrimination based on skin color, but wasted resources as well. If we practiced nondiscriminatory admissions policies we may well have had someone on his or her way to a Ph.D.
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Or someone who is frustrated at being a failure.
 
ringil said:
Better to have tried and failed than never to have tried at all. 🙂
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Can you imagine the stress and worry these people go through? It’s hard enough for those who qualify.

I don’t think it’s fair to unqualified applicants at all.

The tried and failed should apply to the applicants, not to the students.
 
ringil said:
Better to have tried and failed than never to have tried at all. 🙂
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When you discriminate against someone in order to admit someone less qualified and they fail, the injustice has been doubled.
 
So, I am studying to be a school teacher in elementary grades. I am taking a class right now about literacy and we are reading a book called “Other People’s Words” by Victoria Purcell-Gates. She is talking about her experience with “urban-Appalachian” students and the frustration many of these kids face in schools. They are all poor kids in many of these city schools, but due to social and political programs such as the one suggested by this really backwards University - those who are students of Color are afforded more assistance that the white kids who are struggling - simply due to the color of their skin.

I just keep thinking abou tthis thread and how, even this author, can recognize that racism is being committed against these children. They are white kids from poor non-literate homes and they are given no help and simply passed through the grades having never learned to read because they aren’t black and can’t get help. It’s a horrific injustice that is created when you commit to helping people because of the color of their skin rather than helping people who need help.:rolleyes:
 
Whitacre_Girl said:
So, I am studying to be a school teacher in elementary grades. I am taking a class right now about literacy and we are reading a book called “Other People’s Words” by Victoria Purcell-Gates. She is talking about her experience with “urban-Appalachian” students and the frustration many of these kids face in schools. They are all poor kids in many of these city schools, but due to social and political programs such as the one suggested by this really backwards University - those who are students of Color are afforded more assistance that the white kids who are struggling - simply due to the color of their skin.

I just keep thinking abou tthis thread and how, even this author, can recognize that racism is being committed against these children. They are white kids from poor non-literate homes and they are given no help and simply passed through the grades having never learned to read because they aren’t black and can’t get help. It’s a horrific injustice that is created when you commit to helping people because of the color of their skin rather than helping people who need help.:rolleyes:
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It is fair because this was done a long time ago to black people who are now dead and buried by white people who are dead and buried.
 
I have read these comments and I am shocked at how many still miss the sub-text of the pricing of the cupcakes. You see the price reflect the relative worth to societies of the individual classes. It is obvious that white men are just worth more. If there is any injustice in the pricing I feel it is Asian male price should have been .10 higher than the white man. But that may just be the prejudice of the person assigning prices. Given the relative worth of the white male and the inverted pyramid of the admissions the school administrators are losing a powerful source of revenue. But, given the Big Academy’s penchant for abusing student athletics and the plantation mentality of the NCAA making billions off free labor they probably can afford it.
 
Affirmative action for sure will be seen as something like a golf handicap, where the better players are preemptively given a bigger load to carry in order to not run away with all the cookies.
The handicaps are somewhat arbitrary and are based on yesterday’s better players rather than the situation today. Overall though, whoever buys into the idea that somebody else needs a larger handicap in order that they can compete, is accepting that they are inferior players at some level.

The Asians in the bake sale are the good example, as are women in general. There cannot help but be resentment that they are rated lower than their abilities, even as they run away with all the muffins.
 
Whitacre_Girl said:
They are all poor kids in many of these city schools, but due to social and political programs such as the one suggested by this really backwards University - those who are students of Color are afforded more assistance that the white kids who are struggling - simply due to the color of their skin.
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Other anecdotal evidence here…
I can remember my father struggling at his job in the early 80’s because they had to hire the black candidate for the job, not the right candidate for the job.

And because of the laws, he could not ask about race, sex, religion, or anything else.
So he and the rest of the office spent hours (perhaps days) interviewing everyone to try and discern their color over a phone without asking.

Affirmative action in action.
Precisely because of this garbage, the color is highlighted rather then the job skills.

They didn’t hire the qualified candidate, they hired the one that was the right color.

Of course, when the wrong guy for the job didn’t work out, there were suggestions of racism thrown about.
 
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