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Rich_Olszewski
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I am insufficiently familiar with cases regarding execution of the policy to provide an example. (Read: too lazy to look up cases in the law books that are on point.
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YoungTradCath
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Firstly, I don’t owe anyone for the past. Secondly, equal opportunity means the government treating people equally. NO one gets preferential treatment, at all. But people who support institutionalized racism disagree.
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Rich_Olszewski
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Giving a woman preference would not be institutional racism, don’t you think?
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estesbob
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The bake was held because of a bill just passed in California specifically allowing colleges to discriminate based upon race, gender, and so-called sexual orientation in the admissions process… . There is no ifs, ands or buts about this and again it appears this bake sale was smashing sucess judging by this thread alone.
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estesbob
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No Rich its sexism. Something those on the Left generally claim to oppose but willingly embrace when it advances their political agenda.
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YoungTradCath
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Nope, it’s sexism. Forgive me for not including that word. I shouldn’t have given you an opening to stab me.
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Rich_Olszewski
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Hey, I’m an attorney. We all carry shanks just for such opportunities.
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NonServiam
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Are you people still talking about this nonsense? I threw a few comments into this thread a week ago and walked away – I come back and you’re still making the same exact points??
For those who forgot, policies like these exist because there is currently an inequity in the system that we would like to address (a current inequity that owes its cause to deep-rooted social problems established long in the past that continue to have effects today, effects that we, as a society today, generally do not like). It has nothing to do with making people “pay for the past” and everything to do with making changes to inequities that exist now.
So, we’ve come up with policies that take those inequalities somewhat into account when making decisions like, for example, college admissions. Makes sense, doesn’t it? It’s hardly what anyone in his right mind would call unreasonable.
Now, in the attempt to address these issues, will it make things a little harder for some people? Sure. Anything we do to benefit the system will come with costs. Does that mean little Johnny may have to get wait-listed from his top school and go to his second or maybe even (gasp) third choice, on some occasions? Maybe.
Boo-hoo-hoo. Cry me a river. I’m not going to lose any sleep over some brat having his advantages ever-so-slightly curtailed. That’s not fair? Life isn’t fair. Get over it.
For those who forgot, policies like these exist because there is currently an inequity in the system that we would like to address (a current inequity that owes its cause to deep-rooted social problems established long in the past that continue to have effects today, effects that we, as a society today, generally do not like). It has nothing to do with making people “pay for the past” and everything to do with making changes to inequities that exist now.
So, we’ve come up with policies that take those inequalities somewhat into account when making decisions like, for example, college admissions. Makes sense, doesn’t it? It’s hardly what anyone in his right mind would call unreasonable.
Now, in the attempt to address these issues, will it make things a little harder for some people? Sure. Anything we do to benefit the system will come with costs. Does that mean little Johnny may have to get wait-listed from his top school and go to his second or maybe even (gasp) third choice, on some occasions? Maybe.
Boo-hoo-hoo. Cry me a river. I’m not going to lose any sleep over some brat having his advantages ever-so-slightly curtailed. That’s not fair? Life isn’t fair. Get over it.
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stinkcat_14
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Are you fine with the fact that some people are discriminated against because of AA?I am insufficiently familiar with cases regarding execution of the policy to provide an example. (Read: too lazy to look up cases in the law books that are on point.
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YoungTradCath
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Coolstorybro. Anyways, I fail to see how preferential treatment, imparted for any reason other than personal merit, is just. Preferential treatment given for any reason other than their own personal merit is wrong, sick, and terrible, and no argument, at all, can make it otherwise. It undermines the value of rights.Hey, I’m an attorney. We all carry shanks just for such opportunities.
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stinkcat_14
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This is one of the more offensive statements I have seen on this forum. In my experience, many of the beneficiaries of AA are not from the poor and the underclass, they are from the upper middle and upper class. Many of the people who are harmed from AA are from the lower middle class and working class. I have seen firsthand the discriminatory nature of AA. So I would get my facts straight before you start making offensive statements.
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Rich_Olszewski
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Read Post 521. It does an excellent job of explaining what my position on Affirmative Action is and what the policy is.
As to your question, I’m glad a Clarence Thomas got preferential treatment when he was in school over some somewhat better qualified white men.
Don’t you think that might be useful information to know.
Else one could find themselves in the very difficult position of defending color based discrimination.
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SamH
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That’s a party tradition for democrats.
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Rich_Olszewski
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It would be, which is why I invite posters to look the term up, and compare how the policy is variously defined and addressed.
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NonServiam
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Well, it’s all well and good to tell people to get their facts straight, but to do so only on the basis of your own anecdotal experience rings hollow.
Exactly what percentage of the overall populations of whites, blacks, poor, middle class, and super wealthy does your experience encompass? Maybe 0.001%?
I’m kind of curious myself to see if the answer has developed over time.
So what say you? Does it concern you at all that AA is discriminating against people in an unjust manner?
Or one can simply look at the practical application of the system to see what exactly it is and does.
That any at all are legally discriminated against for the color of their skin is too many.
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Rich_Olszewski
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Good question. A better one in the same vein is, “Rich, do you still beat your wife and are you still cheating on her?”
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