Converting to Islam

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Sam_777 said:
Fellow Christians, pray for our sister “ZuzuBailey”, I think she is facing a very tough times, read the following and connect the dots…

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i agree. i was a bit puzzled when i read her last post, but now that i go back and see this one too:
ZuzuBailey said:
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with a “pray for me” as the signature. let’s all take a moment to pray for zuzubailey. sam , thank you for shedding light on this.

our prayers are with you zuzubailey. :grouphug:

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Sepharad said:
With all due respect, at the time Muhammad married a 9 year old, the culture of that time did not regard it as pedophilia (though in OUR culture, WE most certainly do regard it as such!)
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Actually, scholarship for a long time showed the age of bethrothal and marriage for a girl in Arabia was the same for any other girl in the surronding cultures–about the ages of 13-14 (which we can presume was the age of the BVM when she was betrothed to Joseph). Young by our standards, but an age when girls are becoming women–and actually STILL considered by many cultures an acceptable age–I cant think of ONE, off hand, where a girl is expected to not just be bethrothed, but have sex with a husband when she hasnt even reached puberty.
 
jen_fla said:
i agree. i was a bit puzzled when i read her last post, but now that i go back and see this one too:

with a “pray for me” as the signature. let’s all take a moment to pray for zuzubailey. sam , thank you for shedding light on this.

our prayers are with you zuzubailey. :grouphug:

On July 28, 2008:
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Lord, have mercy.
 
Sam_777 said:
Are you better than the Islamic authentic mufassireen ;)…

English:-
  1. Tafsir al-Jalalayn:
    “…of those against whom there is wrath, namely, the Jews, and nor of those who are astray, namely, the Christians.”
  2. Tafsir Tanwir al-Miqbas min Tafsir Ibn ‘Abbas:
    “(Not of those who earn Thine anger), not the religion of the Jews who earned Your anger, whom You forsook and whose hearts You did not protect until they became complaisant. (Nor of those who go astray), nor the religion of the Christians who erred from Islam.”
Arabic:
  1. Tafsir Ibn Katheir:
    سألت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم عن قوله تعالى " غير المغضوب عليهم " قال " هم اليهود " " ولا الضالين " قال : " النصارى هم الضالون "
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  2. Tafsir al-Jalalayn:
    . “غير المغضوب عليهم” وهم اليهود “ولا” وغير “الضالين” وهم النصارى
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  3. Tafsir Altabari:
    فقال : من هؤلاء الذين تحاصر يا رسول الله ؟ قال : " هؤلاء المغضوب عليهم : اليهود
    قَالَ : سَأَلْت النَّبِيّ صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ عَنْ قَوْل اللَّه { وَلَا الضَّالِّينَ } قَالَ : " النَّصَارَى هُمْ الضَّالُّونَ
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  4. Tafsir Alkurtubi:
    فالجمهور أن المغضوب عليهم اليهود , والضالين النصارى
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And that’s exactly what is being taught in our Saudi education system 😦 :
iu.edu.sa/edu/syukbah/taf4_4.htm
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I just don’t know what to do with you. Did you not read what I said? That I know the mufassireen say it refers to Christians? Nor am I disputing the conclusion they have drawn. I am merely pointing out that it does not, nor need not only refer to Christians, which is a point that really needs to sink in. There have been volumes written on the Tafsir of Surat al-Fatihah… it’s very complex, very beautiful, and really you do no justice trying to fix the interpretation to a single idea when in fact many apply.

Because there are many groups of people on this planet who are neither Christians nor Jews but that doesn’t mean that they have earned God’s grace, pleasure, spared his wrath, and are properly guided. Nor have all Christians and Jews earned wrath or been astray. Take the Qur’an for what it says, and not what you want it to say. Not what is convenient for you to attack Islam, but what is more accurate and complete.
 
Sister_Amy said:
Sure, some of the mufassireen do favor that interpretation sure, but it doesn’t say Christians, does it? It says those who are astray which is much more broad. Even Muslims can be ‘astray’ (and some are!) 🙂
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Anybody who does not accept Islam is considered to be "astray! :rolleyes:

Vickie
 
Sister Amy,
Thank you for being upfront that the two faiths cannot be practiced by the same person. There are Muslims in the world who would say otherwise.
 
Tahirah said:
I’ve been Catholic for 17 years & recently became interested in Islam. I have 2 questions:
  1. Would it be wrong to practice Islam & pray the Azan 5 times daily if I am Catholic?
  2. Is it possible to be a muslim & a Catholic?
If I did convert to Islam & wanted to go back to the Catholic church, would I have to receive all the sacraments again?

Thanks–Asalaamu Ailaikum

Tahirah:)
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For one thing, you would not need to receive baptism again. You received it once and for all!
If you received the sacrament of Confirmation, I don’t think you’d have to receive it once again.
But… when it comes to the Eucharist, I think you’d have to go to the sacrament of Confession first and probably be instructed into the faith so that you could walk your walk knowing what the Church truly believes and what we Catholics believe. When you receive communion you must know exactly Whom you are going to receive.
 
cathopologist said:
Errm, i think you missed out on what i posted after the initial post:

Its always wise to double check, you know. :rolleyes:
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It is. I apologize for not checking first. You might consider the fact that you did not check first before posting your original claim either, and that your error was far more serious, since you were implying something about another Christian ecclesial community that is the opposite of the truth.

Edwin
 
ralphinal said:
Sister Amy,
Thank you for being upfront that the two faiths cannot be practiced by the same person. There are Muslims in the world who would say otherwise.
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Thanks Ralph.

I’ve heard some Christians say you can be Muslim and Christian at the same time. Truthfully, I do believe that I am a better Christian as a Muslim because I more truly follow what I believe was the message of Jesus. But I don’t think a person could really say that there is no god but God, and Muhammad is His messenger, and still consider himself to be a Catholic in the way I understand it, or really any kind of Christian in the world today. Likewise, a person could not participate in the rituals of Catholicism with sincerity without violating fundamental tenets of Islam.

But these are theological, rather than moral differences. 🙂
 
Sam_777 said:
Fellow Christians, pray for our sister “ZuzuBailey”, I think she is facing a very tough times, read the following and connect the dots…
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Dear Sam,

You are really a kind person, brother. You, yourself, perhaps not in the favourable condition saying this, and yet you still have time observing others, and pray for others. Not only we will pray for sister Zuzu, we will pray for you too.👍 👍 👍
 
Sepharad said:
When I said “original” I meant the original Hebrew of the Masoretic text (Jewish Bibles have English on one side and Hebrew on the other.) The LXX (Septuagint) was written in Greek, not Hebrew.

And FTR Judaism has never believed in “devils” as Christianity does. We do believe in a satan (Hebrew word for adversary), but he has no power apart from what God allows him to have (see the Book of Job for a good example of how authentic Judaism sees him.)
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Same as the devil in our view. Even the serpent in the garden of Eden in Genesis couldn’t go further than what God allowed him to…
As for the Septuagint, yes it was written in Greek, but my understanding is that it was meant for the Jews in diasporah who had stopped speaking and reading Hebrew fluently.
BTW, why discard it just because it wasn’t in Hebrew? I believe all the books known as Deuterocanonical had originally existed in Hebrew (the Book of Ecclesiasticus, also known as the book of Sirakh, does mention it was translated from the Hebrew) but that the Hebrew texts were lost…
Moreover, it was put together even before the Masoretic Bible (I was stunned when I learned this)
 
swariffin said:
Dear Sam,

You are really a kind person, brother. You, yourself, perhaps not in the favourable condition saying this, and yet you still have time observing others, and pray for others. Not only we will pray for sister Zuzu, we will pray for you too.👍 👍 👍
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Me too.👍 👍 👍
 
Sister_Amy said:
Thanks Ralph.

I’ve heard some Christians say you can be Muslim and Christian at the same time. Truthfully, I do believe that I am a better Christian as a Muslim because I more truly follow what I believe was the message of Jesus. But I don’t think a person could really say that there is no god but God, and Muhammad is His messenger, and still consider himself to be a Catholic in the way I understand it, or really any kind of Christian in the world today. Likewise, a person could not participate in the rituals of Catholicism with sincerity without violating fundamental tenets of Islam.

But these are theological, rather than moral differences. 🙂
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Would you please tell us what you think Jesus’ real message to be?

Vickie
 
Lapell said:
What’s the Azan prayer said 5 times?
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Brother lapell,I guess she made little mistake.Azan isn’t prayer but a call(or invitation)for prayer.5 times(morning before sunrise,midday,afternoon,just after sunset in evening&at night)muazzins(callers for islamic pray)in every mosque do it.Then muslims go to mosque for group prayer,its called jamaat prayer.So azan is a call for prayer not the prayer.Hope it helps.Bless you:)
 
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