Converting to Islam

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Booklover said:
Would you please tell us what you think Jesus’ real message to be?

Vickie
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The same message as Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Muhammad.

There is no god but God. Believe in worship Him, submit to Him, obey Him, and live righteously on the earth. In summary, of course.
 
Sister_Amy said:
The same message as Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Muhammad.

There is no god but God. Believe in worship Him, submit to Him, obey Him, and live righteously on the earth. In summary, of course.
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When I was a Muslim, I had been disgusted with the fact that Islamic claims about the same message given to all prophets drew a pathetic image of Allah. Sending the same message to various prophets, Allah cannot succeed in establishing his true religion (Islam) on earth until he gives Mohammad the Koran. Thus, the history of divine revelation in Islam is actually a pathetic chronicle of inept messengers. Since Mohammad supposedly did what the others failed, it is high time Muslims replaced Allah with Mohammad and started worshipping him as the only victor in faith.
 
Contarini said:
It is. I apologize for not checking first. You might consider the fact that you did not check first before posting your original claim either, and that your error was far more serious, since you were implying something about another Christian ecclesial community that is the opposite of the truth.

Edwin
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Of course, my error was on the part that the news of her expulsion had already taken place. I quickly put up an “updated” comment after searching more about her online and before anyone else did. However, to say that i was referring to “another ecclesial community” is not incorrect. The priestess involved is Episcopalian which means she is part of a branch in the Church of England. Correct me if i am wrong there.
 
Sister_Amy said:
Thanks Ralph.

I’ve heard some Christians say you can be Muslim and Christian at the same time. Truthfully, I do believe that I am a better Christian as a Muslim because I more truly follow what I believe was the message of Jesus. But I don’t think a person could really say that there is no god but God, and Muhammad is His messenger, and still consider himself to be a Catholic in the way I understand it, or really any kind of Christian in the world today. Likewise, a person could not participate in the rituals of Catholicism with sincerity without violating fundamental tenets of Islam.

But these are theological, rather than moral differences. 🙂
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True, true. I cannot say one way or another that you are a better person now than before, as I did not know you.

Setting aside all theology, and the rules based on theology, what is good in one religion is generally good in another. Caring for the poor, etc., reflects the natural law in all of us.
 
Sister_Amy said:
Truthfully, I do believe that I am a better Christian as a Muslim because I more truly follow what I believe was the message of Jesus.
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This is where people like “Rev.” Hedding fail to understand. One cannot call himself/herself a “Christian” and a “Muslim”. A Christian is a follower of Christ - one who believes in His teachings and believes He is the Son of God. Muslims don’t. You cannot be a Muslim and then administer Christian communion in church. Its ludicrous, even in Protestant standards.
 
cathopologist said:
This is where people like “Rev.” Hedding fail to understand. One cannot call himself/herself a “Christian” and a “Muslim”. A Christian is a follower of Christ - one who believes in His teachings and believes He is the Son of God. Muslims don’t. You cannot be a Muslim and then administer Christian communion in church. Its ludicrous, even in Protestant standards.
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I don’t really disagree with you, and forgive me if what I said sounded like an insult to your faith–it wasn’t at all intended, I promise.

What I mean is that I am a better follower of what I believe to be Jesus’s teachings and not what Christians believe them to be. Certainly, according to Christian standards, I am not a Christian at all, and neither would I dispute that. 🙂

So please forgive me if I wasn’t clear before.
 
Sister_Amy said:
I don’t really disagree with you, and forgive me if what I said sounded like an insult to your faith–it wasn’t at all intended, I promise.

What I mean is that I am a better follower of what I believe to be Jesus’s teachings and not what Christians believe them to be. Certainly, according to Christian standards, I am not a Christian at all, and neither would I dispute that. 🙂

So please forgive me if I wasn’t clear before.
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Its alright. Forgive me also, if i came across as a hot-headed person (but i guess everyone’s like that when “in-fire” for their faith). I love to argue sometimes, but i also know a good person when i spot one. 😉
Peace.
 
Sister_Amy said:
The same message as Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Muhammad.

There is no god but God. Believe in worship Him, submit to Him, obey Him, and live righteously on the earth. In summary, of course.
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That’s the difference. Jesus didn’t come with a message.

He is the message.
 
Sepharad said:
In reading this, I’m reminded of one woman I worked with, who was returning to Judaism. She had become a Christian (“messianic Jew”), but told me she had never gotten baptized. I was puzzled as to why this was, and she said it was out of respect for the feelings of her parents, because they would have seen that as a formal renunciation of her Jewish faith.

I should have also mentioned that Judaism is a religion of doing, even more sometimes than of believing. This is how the woman I just mentioned could believe in Jesus, yet not want to be baptized–because she saw the outward, public act of baptism as a definite symbol of rejection of her Jewishness, whereas a belief is something that can be held privately.
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Hum! She might consider herself a Christian… But Christians ARE baptized people!..
Of course, there is such a thing as a baptism of desire, but honestly I thought this to mean that the one who desires to be baptized simply died before he/she could receive it. (He/she might have had the time to get prepared for the event, though.) I don’t know if there are such cases of delayed baptisms for reasons such as your friend’s that would qualify, but if she really wants to become a Christian she will find the courage not to just stay at a stage where in her head she “is” Christian while not being one indeed… Not only Judaism is a religion of action for that matter, you know!
Right now, she might think of herself as a “virtual” Christian, but really imagination can work quite foolishly sometimes…
 
Lapell said:
Hum! She might consider herself a Christian… But Christians ARE baptized people!..
Of course, there is such a thing as a baptism of desire, but honestly I thought this to mean that the one who desires to be baptized simply died before he/she could receive it. (He/she might have had the time to get prepared for the event, though.) I don’t know if there are such cases of delayed baptisms for reasons such as your friend’s that would qualify, but if she really wants to become a Christian she will find the courage not to just stay at a stage where in her head she “is” Christian while not being one indeed… Not only Judaism is a religion of action for that matter, you know!
Right now, she might think of herself as a “virtual” Christian, but really imagination can work quite foolishly sometimes…
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That being said, I do hope she recives the courage to make the step, that is, if she really want to become a Christian!
 
Sepharad said:
With all due respect, at the time Muhammad married a 9 year old, the culture of that time did not regard it as pedophilia (though in OUR culture, WE most certainly do regard it as such!)
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Even considering the effect of an ex post facto argument, all enlightened societies nowadays regard such behavior to be perverted.

Just imagine what Christians would do if Jesus had done that sort of thing.

Only relying on the idea that it was common at the time doesn’t absolve us of making a critical judgment against that kind of behavior. It was and is a perversion. Kinda like when children were made to work in abominable conditions in factories in the past. That was wrong then just as it is wrong now.
 
Thank you for all the replies & answers. Most of my questions have been answered. I’ve signed up for a Catholic home study course & a class on catechism which I hope will help answer all of my questions not posted here. My background is half Middle Eastern, & in the Middle East it is predominantely muslim so I wanted to learn about Islam & its teachings.
 
Tahirah said:
Thank you for all the replies & answers. Most of my questions have been answered. I’ve signed up for a Catholic home study course & a class on catechism which I hope will help answer all of my questions not posted here. My background is half Middle Eastern, & in the Middle East it is predominantely muslim so I wanted to learn about Islam & its teachings.
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Tahirah, i would suggest meeting up with a Catholic priest and then attend RCIA (if its available in your country). A home study course may be convenient, but you won’t be able to participate in group sessions where people like yourself sometimes share about their experiences.
 
That’s wonderful to hear, Tahirah. I wish you the best of luck in your journey. 🙂
 
Namesake said:
Even considering the effect of an ex post facto argument, all enlightened societies nowadays regard such behavior to be perverted.

Just imagine what Christians would do if Jesus had done that sort of thing.

Only relying on the idea that it was common at the time doesn’t absolve us of making a critical judgment against that kind of behavior. It was and is a perversion. Kinda like when children were made to work in abominable conditions in factories in the past. That was wrong then just as it is wrong now.
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More so when the man who committed that act is considered to be a model for all mankind!

Vickie
 
Sister_Amy said:
Do you think that non-Catholics have been guided or are astray?
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I believe that Muslims who follow and emulate a man like Muhammad are misguided. How can you see goodness in his actions or in his book the Quran?

Vickie
 
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