Coptic Orthodox coming into communion with St Peter

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Hello all,

Im a coptic orthodox christian who is very passionate about reunification. Due to recent stands by the coptic synod it has, with great sorrow, pushed me into the confirmation of a need to come into reunification without my beloved Church. The coptic church has started the practise of rebaptising catholics who convert. This goes against everything I believe in.

As well, I believe the nicene creed, where we say and in one holy catholic church. This had made me realiaw the true need of the see of st peter, as around him church unity resides. Otherwise it turns into factional war.

I was wondering whether I am the first to make this journey, or whether others here have done also. Please remember me at divine liturgy, and in your intercessions to the All-Holy Theotokos.

In Christ Jesus,

Coptsoldier
 
Someone page Marduk. He’ll be helpful in this thread.

Mardukm is an eloquent poster here that is Coptic Catholic as well.
 
NoWings said:
Someone page Marduk. He’ll be helpful in this thread.

Mardukm is an eloquent poster here that is Coptic Catholic as well.
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Meanwhile, as you’re waiting, you can look up his past posts. He is a prolific poster and has addressed his own translation to the Coptic Catholic Church many times.
 
babochka said:
Meanwhile, as you’re waiting, you can look up his past posts. He is a prolific poster and has addressed his own translation to the Coptic Catholic Church many times.
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Was he originally Orthodox before his switch?
 
coptsoldier. We were just having a discussion of Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism (here).

You said:

Im a coptic orthodox christian who is very passionate about reunification . . . (and you expressed the need to) . . . come into reunification. . . .

Welcome home coptsoldier. It will be great to have you aboard.

You said:
The coptic church has started the practise of rebaptising catholics who convert. This goes against everything I believe in
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I am sorry to hear that this is occurring (the re-baptizing of Catholics).

Someone mentioned and recommended discussion with Mardukm. I concur. Mardukum strikes me as being a person of great integrity and very knowledgeable as well.

I have read many of Mardukm’s posts and have learned much from Mardukm.

I hope your reunification goes smoothly and I will keep you in my prayers.

God bless.

Cathoholic

PS Here is a link concerning some aspects of this issue. If you listen to 10 minutes of it, I suspect you will be drawn in to listen to the whole discussion. Not exactly your situation, but close enough where this talk will have value.
 
THE WORK OF ST. OPTATUS
BISHOP OF MILEVIS
AGAINST THE DONATISTS

And before anyone say that I have been rash in calling the Son of God the Garment, let him read the words of the Apostle who says : As many of you as have been baptised in the Name of Christ, have put on Christ. O tunic ever one and unchangeable, which fitly clothes all ages and forms, which is not too loose in infants, nor stretched in youth, nor changed in women !
Assuredly the day will come, when the heavenly nuptials begin to be celebrated. There without anxiety shall they sit down, who have preserved the one Baptism. For with regard to any who has allowed himself to be rebaptised by you resurrection is not denied him, for he has believed in the resurrectionof the Flesh. He shall rise indeed, but naked. But because he has allowed you to spoil him of his wedding garment, he shall hear the Father of the Family speak thus :
My friend, that is to say I recognise thee once thou didst renounce the devil, and wert converted to Me,and I gave thee a wedding garment. Why hast thou come thus, without that which I gave thee ? that is to say, why hast thou not what I gave thee ? For no one can be angry with one who has not something, which has not been given him.
Thou didst receive a wedding garment, together with these others, and thou alone art without one. Why hast thou come naked and doleful ? Who has torn his spoils from thee ? What thieves doors hast thou entered ? What murderous robbers hast thou met on the way ? However many they are who come thus, they shall have no place at that banquet.

Peace
 
I wasn’t aware Coptic Catholics were “seperated” from Rome to start with any more then the Byzantine were. Just catholic of another cultural flavour.
 
Dear brother Coptsoldier,
coptsoldier said:
Was he originally Orthodox before his switch?
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Yes, I was born and raised and grew up in the Coptic Orthodox Church (35+ years) before translating to the Catholic Church. I came to the Catholic communion about 6 years ago. I am sorry I am particularly busy right now, but I wanted to drop a post to let you know I’m around lurking.😃

To be honest, I am not one who would particularly try to persuade someone to leave Orthodoxy. I will, however, answer your questions about Catholicism, according to the actual teaching of the Catholic Church, not according to popular (mostly Latin) apologetics. I wholeheartedly believe there is much misunderstanding about Catholicism by non-Catholics, and, I want to make it perfectly clear, I did not join Catholicism because I rejected something about Coptic Orthodoxy, but because I rejected my preconceived (and misinformed) notions about Catholic teachings. I know Orthodox who have joined and do join Catholicism for other reasons, and I respect those reasons, for they are valid reasons according to one’s personal experiences and beliefs.

I would also like to comment that there are Catholics who leave Catholicism for Orthodoxy, but it is normally because of a perceived incongruence between the Latin Tradition, on the one hand, and Eastern or Oriental Tradition, on the other. These (former) Catholics often view Latin Catholicism as a monolithic, black and white, system of beliefs, while other Latin Catholics see Latin Catholicism in its full breadth of monastic as well as scholastic influences. The former leave, frustrated at the apparent legalism, while the latter stay and develop their spirituality and relationship with God fruitfully within Catholicism. In short, people have their reasons.

I hope to find the time to engage in this thread. To be frank, I am as likely to defend Coptic Orthodoxy (and Oriental Orthodoxy) as I am to defend Catholicism. My goal is always to inculcate understanding, for it is only through the spiritual fruit of understanding that true unity can be accomplished.

Abundant blessings,
Marduk
 
I thought the Copts always re-baptized Catholics?
coptsoldier said:
Hello all,

Im a coptic orthodox christian who is very passionate about reunification. Due to recent stands by the coptic synod it has, with great sorrow, pushed me into the confirmation of a need to come into reunification without my beloved Church. The coptic church has started the practise of rebaptising catholics who convert. This goes against everything I believe in.

As well, I believe the nicene creed, where we say and in one holy catholic church. This had made me realiaw the true need of the see of st peter, as around him church unity resides. Otherwise it turns into factional war.

I was wondering whether I am the first to make this journey, or whether others here have done also. Please remember me at divine liturgy, and in your intercessions to the All-Holy Theotokos.

In Christ Jesus,

Coptsoldier
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AnthonyJ said:
I thought the Copts always re-baptized Catholics?
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No, not always. I don’t recall exactly when, but IIRC it’s something that came about within the past 30-or so years, maybe more maybe less. I’ll leave the particulars to dzheremi who actually knows them. 🙂
 
coptsoldier said:
Hello all,

Im a coptic orthodox christian who is very passionate about reunification. Due to recent stands by the coptic synod it has, with great sorrow, pushed me into the confirmation of a need to come into reunification without my beloved Church. The coptic church has started the practise of rebaptising catholics who convert. This goes against everything I believe in.

As well, I believe the nicene creed, where we say and in one holy catholic church. This had made me realiaw the true need of the see of st peter, as around him church unity resides. Otherwise it turns into factional war.

I was wondering whether I am the first to make this journey, or whether others here have done also. Please remember me at divine liturgy, and in your intercessions to the All-Holy Theotokos.

In Christ Jesus,

Coptsoldier
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Hi, I just found this thread tonight. Welcome to the forum. 🙂

I can certainly relate to what you say, if only indirectly. That is, while I have never said I’m passionate about reunion, so I’m going to become Orthodox (I’m cradle Catholic by the way), I’ve known quite a large number of fellow-Catholics who have said exactly that (and in most cases followed through on it); hence hearing the same idea from an Orthodox, in reverse, doesn’t come as any surprise to me.
 
coptsoldier said:
Hello all,

Im a coptic orthodox christian who is very passionate about reunification. Due to recent stands by the coptic synod it has, with great sorrow, pushed me into the confirmation of a need to come into reunification without my beloved Church. The coptic church has started the practise of rebaptising catholics who convert. This goes against everything I believe in.

As well, I believe the nicene creed, where we say and in one holy catholic church. This had made me realiaw the true need of the see of st peter, as around him church unity resides. Otherwise it turns into factional war.

I was wondering whether I am the first to make this journey, or whether others here have done also. Please remember me at divine liturgy, and in your intercessions to the All-Holy Theotokos.

In Christ Jesus,

Coptsoldier
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It’s a funny thing you should mention re-baptism as I was speaking of this very issue on a thread in the non-Catholic forum (Pope St. Stephen and St. Cyprian). It is an issue that quite frankly bothers me too, i.e., the re-baptism of those validly baptized. It’s sacrilegious!
 
I am yet to see anyone prove the errors of the catholic church, let alone prove that those errors amount to heresy in par with denying divinity of christ.
 
I will say this: the coptic church does not allow divorce except for adultery. The up to 3 times is an eastern orthodox issue.

One of my reasons for seeing papal supremacy is that when bishops cannot decide the decision goes to rome. This id how it was also in the ancient church.
 
josie_L said:
It is an issue that quite frankly bothers me too, i.e., the re-baptism of those validly baptized. It’s sacrilegious!
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Just speaking for myself, and no other posters, I have no interest in calling the practice of Orthodox Churches “sacrilegious”.
 
Hello CoptSoldier. Welcome home from a person who is a Roman Rite Catholic. 🙂
 
Forgive me for saying this, my Catholic brethren, but I have to get this off my chest.

When someone comes to Catholicism from Orthodoxy, the statement “welcome home” can come off as patronizing. I know that is not your intent, however.

Blessings,
Marduk
 
mardukm said:
Forgive me for saying this, my Catholic brethren, but I have to get this off my chest.

When someone comes to Catholicism from Orthodoxy, the statement “welcome home” can come off as patronizing. I know that is not your intent, however.

Blessings,
Marduk
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Well, I think you might be overgeneralizing, just a bit, about that particular phrase … let me just say that a small amount of triumphalism goes a long, long way. :o

In any case, as you say that isn’t necessarily people’s intentions. It just seems to happen.
 
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