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josie_L
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It’s sacrilegious, and Protestants re-baptize too!
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Blind_Didymus
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Thought you still must be
Fairly sure you’ve at least one of our emails to reply to whenever you have a spare while. In the mean time, have you any Coptic Catholic contacts in Australia? They don’t seem to reply when contacted via their webpage.And here we were thinking you were Marduk!
Amen! The education of the people in the pews, and the shared experience of loving one another, are the keys to unity.
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Peter_J
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I’m going to assume that you already read my earlier post (quoted above), so I guess there’s no need for me to say anything to that statement.
I’ll let protestants speak for themselves (assuming there are any on this thread).
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shlomo3amrooh
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Maybe I can offer my two cents worth on this issue…
I admire the OP desire for unity amongst the Oriental Orthodox (OO) and the CC (Catholic Church), it is something I hope for in the future. However, the OP must realise that Unity must begin with the self, the family, the community and the Church. Rejecting his Coptic Orthodox community of which he became an adopted child can be interpreted as an uncharitable act and infact an act of disunity of the self. The Unity of the Church Visible is important, but the Unity of the Church Invisible is important as well!. The Coptic Church is still very much part of the Universal Catholic Church!
If the OP feels that the Catholic Church is right about certain things like contraception, then he should just not use contraception! this would not be an issue in the COC. Or if the OP feels that Rome has primacy, this would not be an issue in the COC. Please correct me if i’m wrong!
In the East, we do not have the individualistic attitude that is prevalent in the West. We believe that Unity can only be achieved with legitimacy of the whole community (this does not necessarily mean a simple majority). An example of this is how Patriarch Jarweh took a Catholic Oath of office before being consecrated as Patriarch of Antioch by other bishops in the Synod. By doing this he gained legitimacy, taking with him a large portion of believers to be in union with Rome.
The illegimate actions of the Bishop of Mosul hiring Kurds to ransack the Patriarchate created disunity in the Syriac Church.
It is the devil that creates disunity!
Just some food for thought!.
I admire the OP desire for unity amongst the Oriental Orthodox (OO) and the CC (Catholic Church), it is something I hope for in the future. However, the OP must realise that Unity must begin with the self, the family, the community and the Church. Rejecting his Coptic Orthodox community of which he became an adopted child can be interpreted as an uncharitable act and infact an act of disunity of the self. The Unity of the Church Visible is important, but the Unity of the Church Invisible is important as well!. The Coptic Church is still very much part of the Universal Catholic Church!
If the OP feels that the Catholic Church is right about certain things like contraception, then he should just not use contraception! this would not be an issue in the COC. Or if the OP feels that Rome has primacy, this would not be an issue in the COC. Please correct me if i’m wrong!
In the East, we do not have the individualistic attitude that is prevalent in the West. We believe that Unity can only be achieved with legitimacy of the whole community (this does not necessarily mean a simple majority). An example of this is how Patriarch Jarweh took a Catholic Oath of office before being consecrated as Patriarch of Antioch by other bishops in the Synod. By doing this he gained legitimacy, taking with him a large portion of believers to be in union with Rome.
The illegimate actions of the Bishop of Mosul hiring Kurds to ransack the Patriarchate created disunity in the Syriac Church.
It is the devil that creates disunity!
Just some food for thought!.
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Peter_J
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Although I said earlier that “Welcome home” (as opposed to simply “Welcome” I mean – “Welcome back” would of course be worse) could be a bit triumphalistic, at the same time I think there’s a danger of getting too picky about wording.
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Peter_J
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Good post, but I feel it’s important to chime in that we Catholics are very capable of sympathizing with the feelings of the Oriental Orthodox on this matter, since we feel just the same way whenever the reverse situation occurs.
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Blind_Didymus
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What shall we say then?
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Rafkqa
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I was thinking exactly this! It is incredible that so many of the Eastern Catholic were hesitant to enter into such celebration for what the OP is considering. OP all I can say is I will pray for you.
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coptsoldier
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Thankyou. I greately need it.
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josie_L
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I was asked to be re-baptized by an evangelical (not over the internet or some such, but face to face). Suffice it to say, I was taken aback by this comment because it suggests that he didn’t view me as a Christian.
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coptsoldier
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Most evangelicals view us as non-christian pagans, and the ones that view us as christians only view us as barely christian. They believe we are semi-pagan with perverted teachings against the scriptures.
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Catherine_Grant
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Muzhik
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Just to be clear: Is the Coptic Orthodox Church re-baptizing Roman Catholics who convert because they believe the Catholic baptism (“In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit”) to be invalid?
The parish I used to attend frequently had converts from a variety of faiths. At Easter, the only ones who were baptized were the people who had never been baptized with the Trinitarian formula; those who, while baptized in their former churches, could not provide proof that they were baptized in the Trinitarian formula (aka “conditional baptism”); and those who had been validly baptized but chose to do this as a public declaration of their acceptance of and into the Roman Catholic faith.
BTW, I was shocked to learn of the number of purportedly Christian, Bible-believing congregations out there who do not use the Trinitarian formula (i.e., baptizing only in the name of Jesus), even though Scripture EXPLICITLY says what formula to use.
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RyanBlack
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The Catholic Church does not “rebaptize” those who have “been validly baptized but chose to do this as a public declaration of their acceptance of and into the Roman Catholic faith.” If this was actually done, it was a grave error.
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Alveus_Lacuna
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The Patriarchate was called one of the sees of St. Peter, along with Rome and Antioch, by a Roman Pope no less if memory serves correct. By that admission, you would already be in communion with St. Peter.
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coptsoldier
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Be in communion with a see of st peter? Yes. Be in communion with the Cephas of the church? No.
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dzheremi
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That would be Gregory I, in his letter to his Greek Alexandrian counterpart Eulogius, where he writes:
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Blind_Didymus
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Catherine Grant, sorry for breaking any rules. Thank you for your guidance in regards to what is acceptable.
The Coptic Orthodox Church has always followed the practice of re-baptising anyone who was baptised by a group which did not have a correct view of the Godhead, even if the formula of the baptism was valid. Unfortunately, Coptic view of the filioque clause is that it changes who God is, thus giving the impression that Catholics worship a different deity. (Note: I realise that this is a mistake on the part of the Copts due to their misunderstanding of the filioque.)
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